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Does the CIA do more harm or good?

January 5th, 2010 5 comments

That CIA was created just after the end of World War II, by President Harry Truman, despite it being opposed by the military establishment and the State Department at the time. “After World War II, many scientists who had worked in Nazi Germany were extracted from Germany in order to aid the U.S.; their recruitment was under the aegis of Operation Paperclip. The CIA had also been aware of the location of some high-profile Nazi war criminals, including the whereabouts of Adolf Eichmann two years before he was captured by Israeli agents, but the agency did not publicize this information, as it did not have a policy of pursuing Nazi war criminals at the time.[25] Several former Nazi operational agents were recruited as U.S. secret agents, yet formed just a minor portion of the agents at that time; they were induced financially and promised exemption from criminal prosecution and trial for war crimes committed during World War II.[26] Some claim that these agents had a long-term corrosive effect on American intelligence agencies.[27] There were extensive relationships between former Nazi war criminals and American and West German intelligence organizations, including the CIA. For example, current records show that at least five associates of the notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann worked for the CIA, 23 other Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment, and at least 100 officers within the Gehlen organization were former SD or Gestapo officers.
During the Cold War, the CIA supported many dictators, including General Augusto Pinochet of Chile; dictators in Central America, African Dictators like Mobutu Sese Seko and Jonas Savimbi, the Shah of Iran, and the religious despots in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait and Indonesia,

John Stockwell, formerly a high-level CIA operative, claims that six million people have been killed by the United States in the Third World countries. This claim includes the deaths in the Korea and Vietnam wars that Stockwell feels should be blamed on the United States government.[28]

Numerous accusations have been made that the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking to fund illegal operations in Nicaragua during their civil war, Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, and in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War. According to a personal account by Everett Ellis Briggs, former U.S. Ambassador to Panama and Honduras, CIA undermined efforts to put a stop to the drug smuggling

Western Vietnam and Eastern Cambodia had some opium fields. It was widely alleged among various soldiers-turned-antiwar protesters that the CIA was involved in smuggling this opium to heroin producers in the United States at considerable profit. The book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia written by Alfred W. McCoy, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison claims to provide evidence of the drug trafficking. The book discusses the alleged use of opium to fund covert operations done by the CIA in Vietnam. According to Dr. McCoy, the agency also intimidated his sources and tried to keep the book from being published, citing national security concerns.”

•During the Vietnam war the CIA conducted Operation Phoenix, an assassination program. The goal was not only to eliminate those Vietnamese who might oppose the U.S. (which in practice meant most of the population of Vietnam) but also to terrorize the entire population of South Vietnam and to suppress opposition to the occupying U.S. forces. Over 20,000 Vietnamese were murdered, often at random.
•The CIA also recruited a mercenary army in Vietnam (financed by profits from the CIA’s heroin smuggling), particularly from among the Hmong villagers, which was used to terrorize the civilian population and to prevent them from assisting the Viet Cong.
•The CIA organized and financed (with the profits from its cocaine smuggling) the activities of the Contras in Nicaragua, who murdered tens of thousands of civilians, and tried to disrupt the economy, in an attempt to destabilize the legitimate Sandinista government. (For this the U.S. was condemned in the World Court for engaging in international terrorism, and it rejected a U.N. security council resolution calling upon it to observe international law.)
•The CIA planned and organized the military coup d’etat in 1973 in Chile which overthrew the legitimately elected government of Salvador Allende (because he would not implement economic policies designed in Washington to favor American corporations doing business in Chile) and brought to power the regime of General Augusto Pinochet; this regime abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Chilean citizens in an attempt to suppress opposition.
•The CIA organized and supported the Turkish government’s persecution of its Kurdish minority during the 1990s, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and millions of refuges; the aim being the suppression of Kurdish culture and the elimination of Kurdish demands for a separate state.

Not to mention the many assainations, illegal and domestic spying on US citizens, Nazis, drugs, but I this is all supposed to be for the benefit of the American Public? Right…….
I forgot to mention the Mafia connections and assassination plots
President Kennedy had changed his mind on the Cold War, had stopped nuclear testing in the atmosphere, and signed an order to start withdrawing troops from Vietnam. Kennedy promised to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, and the CIA shattered Kennedy into a thousand pieces

After 9/11 investigation, we found that both CIA and FBI did us more harm than good.

Does the CIA do more harm or good?

December 29th, 2009 No comments

That CIA was created just after the end of World War II, by President Harry Truman, despite it being opposed by the military establishment and the State Department at the time. “After World War II, many scientists who had worked in Nazi Germany were extracted from Germany in order to aid the U.S.; their recruitment was under the aegis of Operation Paperclip. The CIA had also been aware of the location of some high-profile Nazi war criminals, including the whereabouts of Adolf Eichmann two years before he was captured by Israeli agents, but the agency did not publicize this information, as it did not have a policy of pursuing Nazi war criminals at the time.[25] Several former Nazi operational agents were recruited as U.S. secret agents, yet formed just a minor portion of the agents at that time; they were induced financially and promised exemption from criminal prosecution and trial for war crimes committed during World War II.[26] Some claim that these agents had a long-term corrosive effect on American intelligence agencies.[27] There were extensive relationships between former Nazi war criminals and American and West German intelligence organizations, including the CIA. For example, current records show that at least five associates of the notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann worked for the CIA, 23 other Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment, and at least 100 officers within the Gehlen organization were former SD or Gestapo officers.
During the Cold War, the CIA supported many dictators, including General Augusto Pinochet of Chile; dictators in Central America, African Dictators like Mobutu Sese Seko and Jonas Savimbi, the Shah of Iran, and the religious despots in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait and Indonesia,

John Stockwell, formerly a high-level CIA operative, claims that six million people have been killed by the United States in the Third World countries. This claim includes the deaths in the Korea and Vietnam wars that Stockwell feels should be blamed on the United States government.[28]

Numerous accusations have been made that the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking to fund illegal operations in Nicaragua during their civil war, Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, and in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War. According to a personal account by Everett Ellis Briggs, former U.S. Ambassador to Panama and Honduras, CIA undermined efforts to put a stop to the drug smuggling

Western Vietnam and Eastern Cambodia had some opium fields. It was widely alleged among various soldiers-turned-antiwar protesters that the CIA was involved in smuggling this opium to heroin producers in the United States at considerable profit. The book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia written by Alfred W. McCoy, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison claims to provide evidence of the drug trafficking. The book discusses the alleged use of opium to fund covert operations done by the CIA in Vietnam. According to Dr. McCoy, the agency also intimidated his sources and tried to keep the book from being published, citing national security concerns.”

•During the Vietnam war the CIA conducted Operation Phoenix, an assassination program. The goal was not only to eliminate those Vietnamese who might oppose the U.S. (which in practice meant most of the population of Vietnam) but also to terrorize the entire population of South Vietnam and to suppress opposition to the occupying U.S. forces. Over 20,000 Vietnamese were murdered, often at random.
•The CIA also recruited a mercenary army in Vietnam (financed by profits from the CIA’s heroin smuggling), particularly from among the Hmong villagers, which was used to terrorize the civilian population and to prevent them from assisting the Viet Cong.
•The CIA organized and financed (with the profits from its cocaine smuggling) the activities of the Contras in Nicaragua, who murdered tens of thousands of civilians, and tried to disrupt the economy, in an attempt to destabilize the legitimate Sandinista government. (For this the U.S. was condemned in the World Court for engaging in international terrorism, and it rejected a U.N. security council resolution calling upon it to observe international law.)
•The CIA planned and organized the military coup d’etat in 1973 in Chile which overthrew the legitimately elected government of Salvador Allende (because he would not implement economic policies designed in Washington to favor American corporations doing business in Chile) and brought to power the regime of General Augusto Pinochet; this regime abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Chilean citizens in an attempt to suppress opposition.
•The CIA organized and supported the Turkish government’s persecution of its Kurdish minority during the 1990s, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and millions of refuges; the aim being the suppression of Kurdish culture and the elimination of Kurdish demands for a separate state.

Not to mention the many assainations, illegal and domestic spying on US citizens, Nazis, drugs, but I this is all supposed to be for the benefit of the American Public? Right…….
I forgot to mention the Mafia connections and assassination plots
President Kennedy had changed his mind on the Cold War, had stopped nuclear testing in the atmosphere, and signed an order to start withdrawing troops from Vietnam. Kennedy promised to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, and the CIA shattered Kennedy into a thousand pieces

After 9/11 investigation, we found that both CIA and FBI did us more harm than good.

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100 Facts (pt. 1)?

December 24th, 2009 8 comments

There are more cars in Southern California than there are cows in India.

The two-foot long bird called a Kea that lives in New Zealand likes to eat the strips of rubber around car windows.

The province of Alberta, Canada is completely free of rats.

Illinois has the most personalized license plates of any state.

If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle; if the horse has one front leg in the air, the person died as a result of wounds received in battle; if the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes.

There are two credit cards for every person in the United States.

The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 672.

The average chocolate bar has 8 insect legs in it.

There are 206 bones in the adult human body, but 300 in children (some of the bones fuse together as a child grows).

Fleas can jump 130 times higher than their own height. In human terms this is equal to a 6 foot person jumping 780 feet into the air.

Snakes are true carnivores as they eat nothing but other animals. They do not eat any type of plant material.

There are no poisonous snakes in Maine.

The blue whale can produce sounds up to 188 decibels. This is the loudest sound produced by a living animal and has been detected as far away as 530 miles.

The human eye blinks an average of 4,200,000 times a year.

It takes approximately 12 hours for food to entirely digest.

Erosion at the base of Niagara Falls (USA) undermines the shale cliffs and as a result, the falls have receded approximately 7 miles over the last 10,000 years.

The longest living cells in the body are brain cells which can live an entire lifetime.

The Main Library at Indiana University sinks over an inch every year because when it was built engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building.

North Dakota has never had an earthquake.

Alexander Graham Bell (who invented the telephone) also set a world water-speed record of over seventy miles an hour at the age of 72.

There is enough fuel in a full tank of a jumbo jet to drive an average car four times around the world.

Hawaii is moving toward Japan 4 inches every year.

Chimps are the only animals that can recognize themselves in a mirror.

The leg bones of a bat are so thin that no bat can walk.

There are more living organisms on the skin of a single human being than there are human beings on the surface of the earth.

Ants do not sleep.

Marilyn Monroe had six toes on one foot.

If you keep a goldfish in the dark room, it will eventually turn white.

Women blink nearly twice as much as men.

In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

Almonds are members of the peach family.

Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable.

Americans on the average eat 18 acres of pizza every day.

One person in two billion will live to be 116 or older.

If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days, you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee.

February 1865 is the only month in recorded history not to have a full moon.

More people are killed by donkeys annually than are killed in plane crashes.

Lorne Greene had one of his nipples bitten off by an alligator while he was host of "Lorne Greene’s Animal Kingdom".

The dot that appears over the letter "i" is called a tittle.

All major league baseball umpires must wear black underwear while on the job (in case their pants split).

The Spanish word esposa means "wife." The plural, esposas, means "wives," but also "handcuffs."

If all Americans used one third less ice in their drinks the United States would become a net exporter instead of an importer of energy.

If the Nile River were stretched across the United States, it would run nearly from New York to Los Angeles.

San Francisco cable cars are the only National Monuments that move.

The Hoover Dam was built to last 2,000 years. Its concrete will not be fully cured for another 500 years.

Abraham Lincoln’s dog, Fido, was assassinated too.

All of David Letterman’s suits are custom made – there are no creases in his suit trousers.

Cranberry Jell-O is the only flavor that contains real fruit flavoring.

Fewer than half of the 16,200 major league baseball players have ever hit a home run.

In comic strips, the person on the left always speaks first.

Richard Versalle, a tenor performing at New York’s Metropolitan Opera House, suffered a heart attack and fell 10 feet from a ladder to the stage just after singing the line "You can only live so long."

If the entire population of earth was reduced to exactly 100 people, 51% would be female, 49% male; 50% of the world’s currency would be held by 6 people, one person would be nearly dead, one nearly born.

In 1920, Babe Ruth out-homered every American League team.

Topless saleswomen are legal in Liverpool, England, but only in tropical fish stores.

Toxic house plants poison more children than household chemicals.

The original name of Bank of America was Bank of Italy.

The ant, when intoxicated, will always fall over to its right side.

The California Department of Motor Vehicles has issued six driver’s licenses to six different people named Jesus Christ.

Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike each year than all the Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.

People in China and Japan die disproportionately on the 4th of each month because the words death and four sound alike, and they are represented by the same symbol.

Chicago is closer to Moscow than it is to Rio de Janeiro.

Dogs have two sets of teeth, just like humans. They first have 30 "puppy" teeth, then 42 adult teeth.

In 1950, President Harry Truman threw out the first ball twice at the opening day Washington DC baseball game; once right handed and once left handed.

A Swiss ski resort announced it would combat global warming by wrapping its mountain glaciers in aluminum foil to keep them from melting.

The chameleon has a tongue that is one and a half times the length of his body.

Beethoven dipped his head in cold water before he composed.

There once was a town named "6" in West Virginia.

Ten years ago, only 500 people in China could ski. This year, an estimated 5,000,000 Chinese will visit ski resorts.

In 1920, Babe Ruth broke the single season home run record, with 29. The same year, he became the first major leaguer to hit 30 home runs. The same year, he became the first major leaguer to hit 40 home runs. The same year, he became the first major leaguer to hit 50 home runs.

A Nigerian woman was caught entering the UK with 104 kg of snails in her baggage.

Profanity is typically cut from in-flight movies to make them suitable for general audiences. Fox Searchlight Pictures has substituted "Ashcroft" for "A**hole" in the movie Sideways when dubbed for Aerolineas Argentinas flights.

Author Hunter S. Thompson, who committed suicide recently, wanted to be cremated and his ashes to be shot out of a cannon on his ranch.

Sports Illustrated magazine allows subscribers to opt out of receiving the famous swimsuit issue each year. Fewer than 1% choose this option.

There is a company that will (for $14,000) take your ashes, compress them into a synthetic diamond to be set in jewelry for a loved one.

The RIAA sued an 83 year old woman for downloading music illegally, even though a copy of her death certificate was sent to the RIAA a week before it filed the suit.

Two 1903 paintings recently sold at auction for $590,000 – the paintings were in the famous "Dogs Playing Poker" series.

Russian scientists have developed a new drug that prolongs drunkenness and enhances intoxication.

Romanian firefighters could not get their trucks close enough to a burning building, so they put out the fire by throwing snowballs at it.

A perfect SAT score is 1600 combined. Bill Gates scored 1590 on his SAT. Paul Allen, Bill’s partner in Microsoft, scored a perfect 1600. Bill Cosby scored less than 500 combined.

Motorists traveling outside Salem, Oregon saw one of the "litter cleanup" signs crediting the American Nazi party. Marion County officials had no choice but to let that group into the adopt-a-road program. The $500 per sign was picked up by Oregon taxpayers. The Ku Klux Klan is also involved in the adopt-a-road program in the state of Arkansas.

Spam filters that catch the word "cialis" will not allow many work-related e-mails through because that word is embedded inside the word "specialist".

McDonald’s restaurants will buy 54,000,000 pounds of fresh apples this year. Two years ago, McDonald’s purchased 0 pounds of apples. This is attributed to the shift to more healthy menu options (the Apple Pie, which has been at McDonald’s for years uses processed Apple Pie Filling).

The biggest dog on record was an Old English Mastiff that weighed 343 pounds. He was 8 feet, 3 inches from nose to tail.

Mailmen in Russia now carry revolvers after a recent decision by the government.

All of Queen Anne’s 17 children died before she did.

There are over 87,000 Americans on waiting lists for organ transplants.

American made parts account for only 1% of the Chrysler Crossfire. 96% of the Ford F-150 Heritage Truck is American.

A Dutch court ruled that a bank robber could deduct the 2,000 Euros he paid for his pistol from the 6,600 Euros he has to return to the bank he robbed.

Only 6% of the autographs in circulation from members of the Beatles are estimated to be real.

The time spent deleting SPAM costs United States businesses $21.6 billion annually.

60.7 percent of eligible voters participated in the 2004 presidential election, the highest percentage in 36 years. However, more than 78 million did not vote. This means President Bush won re-election by receiving votes from less than 31% of all eligible voters in the United States.

John Quincy Adams, sixth president of the United States, loved to skinny dip in the Potomac River.

La Paz, Bolivia has an average annual temperature below 50 degrees Fahrenheit. However, it has never recorded a zero-degree temperature. Same for Stanley, Falkland Islands and Punta Arenas, Chile.

41% of Chinese people eat at least once a week at a fast food restaurant. 35% of Americans do.

A Wisconsin forklift operator for a Miller beer distributor was fired when a picture was published in a newspaper showing him drinking a Bud Light.

G-rated family films earn more money than any other rating. Yet only 3% of Hollywood’s output is G-rated.

Richard Hatch, winner of the first "Survivor" reality series, has been charged with tax evasion for failing to report his $1,000,000 prize.

The entire fleet of Unicoi County Tennessee’s salt trucks was rendered out of commission in one accident. All three trucks were badly damaged when one of them began skidding down a road, causing a chain reaction accident. Officials blamed road conditions.

More people study English in China than speak it in the United States of America (300 million).

Fast food provider Hardee’s has recently introduced the Monster Thickburger. It has 1,420 calories and 107 grams of fat.
Sorry it’s so long lol. Something to do right?
And yes….PART ONE!!!!
More will come….eventually…

Thanks!! I love learning random facts to tell my friends! They always wonder how I find things like that out!!

McCanns Parents Guilty?

December 21st, 2009 2 comments

Madeleine: McCanns consult American lawyers over ‘cadaver dog’ evidence
Latest from Daily Mail

Kate and Gerry McCann’s legal team have consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where cadaver dog evidence was key, a source said today.

Two British sniffer dogs, one capable of detecting blood and human remains, were brought to Portugal in early August. The cadaver dog picked up a "scent of death" on everything from Mrs McCann’s clothes to missing Madeleine’s favourite soft toy Cuddle Cat, according to reports.

During police interviews the McCanns were shown a video of the animal "going crazy" when it approached their Renault Scenic hire car, newspapers have claimed. Leaked reports from the investigation have suggested Madeleine’s parents could have accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body using the car. Although they do not know the full details of Portuguese prosecutors’ case against them, the McCanns are concerned it may rest on the dog’s reaction.
They want to highlight the judge’s dismissal of cadaver dog evidence in the high-profile Eugene Zapata murder trial in Madison, Wisconsin.

The couple’s lawyers have already contacted Zapata’s defence team, who are now sending their large file on the matter to Britain. Zapata’s estranged wife, flight instructor Jeanette Zapata, was 37 when she vanished on October 11 1976 after seeing her three children off to school. Her body has never been found. Detectives suspected Zapata of involvement in her disappearance but did not charge him because of a lack of evidence. Police decided to conduct new searches using cadaver dogs, a new investigative technique, when an old friend of Mrs Zapata contacted them about the case in 2004.

Eugene Zapata was convicted of first-degree murder of his estranged wife Jeanette when sniffer dogs found traces of human remains at his home. Zapata, 68, was charged with first-degree murder last year after the dogs indicated they sniffed human remains in a small basement "crawl space" at the former family home in Madison and other properties linked to him.
But Dane County Judge Patrick Fiedler ruled last month that the evidence that led to the charge could not be put before the jury.

He said the dogs were too unreliable in detecting the odour of remains and noted that no remains were actually found. The judge agreed with an analysis of the three dogs’ track record by Zapata’s defence team that found they were incorrect 78 per cent, 71 per cent and 62 per cent of the time.

Gerry and Kate McCann: hired an American lawyer over sniffer dog ‘evidence’ that detected the ‘scent of a corpse’ on Mrs McCann’s clothes. According to the Wisconsin State Journal, Mr Fiedler told the court: "The state has failed to convince me that it’s any more reliable than the flip of a coin." Zapata denies murder, and the jury in the case went out on Friday to start considering its verdict.

A source close to the McCanns’ solicitors said: "The legal team are in touch with the lawyers who represented the defendant in the case. "The court papers, giving the legal submissions, are on their way to the McCann team for consideration. "At the moment there are no formal charges and therefore there is no formal allegation against which the McCann team can work. We are having to work a little bit in the dark. "But given that we understand the central plank of what the police are alleging involves sniffer dogs – albeit British ones which are said to be particularly good – this is important and relevant, and will be raised with the police and brought to the judge’s attention."

Read this story what do you think if you ask me you can kid a human but you cant kid a dog trained for sniffing things out even if there guilty which they most probably are why have they not been charged with neglect?
well they can’t find her if they got rid of her though just because there gps don’t mean jack you ever heard of doctor shipman?

They did it! Who is paying for all these lawyers?

USA health Care system. Hospitals and Pharmaceutical Companies are at present rationing health care. Is it so?

December 19th, 2009 2 comments

Rationing by ability to pay.
Dr. Art Kellermann, associate dean for public policy at Emory School of Medicine in Atlanta, recently wrote of a woman who came into his emergency room in critical condition because a blood vessel had burst in her brain. She was uninsured and had chosen to buy food for her children instead of spending money on her blood-pressure medicine. In the emergency room, she received excellent high-tech medical care, but by the time she got there, it was too late to save her.

A New York Times report on the high costs of some drugs illustrates the problem. Chuck Stauffer, an Oregon farmer, found that his prescription-drug insurance left him to pay $5,500 for his first 42 days of Temodar, a drug used to treat brain tumors, and $1,700 a month after that. For Medicare patients drug costs can be even higher, because Medicare can require a copayment of 25 percent of the cost of the drug. For Gleevec, a drug that is effective against some forms of leukemia and some gastrointestinal tumors, that one-quarter of the cost can run to $40,000 a year.

In Britain, everyone has health insurance. In the U.S., some 45 million do not, and nor are they entitled to any health care at all, unless they can get themselves to an emergency room. Hospitals are prohibited from turning away anyone who will be endangered by being refused treatment. But even in emergency rooms, people without health insurance may receive less health care than those with insurance. Joseph Doyle, a professor of economics at the Sloan School of Management at M.I.T., studied the records of people in Wisconsin who were injured in severe automobile accidents and had no choice but to go to the hospital. He estimated that those who had no health insurance received 20 percent less care and had a death rate 37 percent higher than those with health insurance. This difference held up even when those without health insurance were compared with those without automobile insurance, and with those on Medicaid — groups with whom they share some characteristics that might affect treatment. The lack of insurance seems to be what caused the greater number of deaths.

When the media feature someone like Bruce Hardy or Jack Rosser, we readily relate to individuals who are harmed by a government agency’s decision to limit the cost of health care. But we tend not to hear about — and thus don’t identify with — the particular individuals who die in emergency rooms because they have no health insurance. This “identifiable victim” effect, well documented by psychologists, creates a dangerous bias in our thinking. Doyle’s figures suggest that if those Wisconsin accident victims without health insurance had received equivalent care to those with it, the additional health care would have cost about $220,000 for each life saved. Those who died were on average around 30 years old and could have been expected to live for at least another 40 years; this means that had they survived their accidents, the cost per extra year of life would have been no more than $5,500 — a small fraction of the $49,000 that NICE recommends the British National Health Service should be ready to pay to give a patient an extra year of life. If the U.S. system spent less on expensive treatments for those who, with or without the drugs, have at most a few months to live, it would be better able to save the lives of more people who, if they get the treatment they need, might live for several decades.
Seldon Surak II, It seems that you have thought a lot about the subject.
For those who do not consider economic rationing "rationing", use the phrase "limiting the delivery of wanted services".
That limitation is caused by price and the ability or inability to pay for wanted services.

you BET it is!

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE LYING ABOUT REFORM!

HERE IS THE TRUTH:
THERE WILL BE NO NATIONALIZATION OF HEALTH CARE

THE ONLY THING THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO IS ADD AN OPTION FOR NON-PROFIT INSURANCE FOR THE POOR & UNEMPLOYED.

[I go to the Dallas VA Medical Center and the government doesn’t even run THAT!]

HOW WILL THEY PAY FOR IT?
>DRUG DISCOUNTS
>CONCENTRATING ON PREVENTATIVE CARE
[Currently, the poor only have the E.R. at county hospitals and that’s THE MOST EXPENSIVE CARE THERE IS!]
>ELIMINATING WASTE &
>LOCKING UP PEOPLE WHO COMMIT FRAUD!

WANNA KNOW WHO DOESN’T WANT CHANGE?
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES
THEY EAT 40% OF EVERY HEALTH CARE DOLLAR.

FOR WHAT WE PAY NOW, WE COULD INSURE EVERY MAN, WOMAN & CHILD IN AMERICA WITH NO DEDUCTIBLE, NO COPAY COVERAGE.

What in all hell is static-x talking about?!!!?

December 16th, 2009 2 comments

I’m from the old school ( anthrax, slayer, exodus, testament, prong, ect). I’m going to RockOnTheRange in Columbus ohio so I’ve been YouTube-in the bands that I wanna see cause there’s 3 stages. I listened to StaticX and I dig em so I DLed Wisconsin death trip but the damn lyics don’t make since. What the F@*k is that album talkin about? Atleast with a Megadeth record I knew when, why, and what the hell to be pissed about. Someone please break the lyrics or ablum down to me. I’m only 33 but I feel really old metalwise right now.

behind the walls of sleep

Precious cups within the flower
Deadly petals with strange power
Faces shine a deadly smile
Back up on you at your trial
Chill and numbs from head to toe
Icy sun with frosty glow
Why’d you go reaching your sorrow?
Why’d you go read no tomorrow
Feel your spirit rise with the priest
Feel your body falling to its knees
Take your walk of remorse
Take your body to a corpse
Take your body to a corpse
Take your body to a corpse
If you want all remorse
Take your body to a corpse
Now from darkness, there springs light
Wall of Sleep is cold and bright
Wall of Sleep is lying broken
Sun shines in, you are awoken

u just have to be imaginitive… u will never know what the songs really mean but if u think aboput it u can relate….
ok with this song im thinking about a guy i liked, i loved his face and everything but then it was like he was dying cause he didnt know my feelings for him but then in the end he realized them and woke up….
do u get it? just think… its all pretty much metaphoresw for sumthing bigger

Can you help me find information on this elusive couple?

December 14th, 2009 5 comments

I am working on my family tree and I feel like I’ve hit a dead end with one pair of my great-great grandparents.

Their names were Nicholas Hoffman (I’m sure about that) and Christina Kovasavich (I’m not 100% sure about the first name).

I found this record on the California death index that I know to be correct:
Last: HOFFMAN
First: NICHOLAS
Gender: MALE
Birth Date: 06/03/1870
Death Date: 03/07/1961
Birth Place: WISCONSIN
Death Place (County): LOS ANGELES

They had a daughter named Angela Hoffman, who married Lloyd Franklin Saunders (whose ancestry is much easier to find).

I’ve looked everywhere–just can’t seem to find Nicholas Hoffman or a Christina Kovasavich. If you can help me out, I will greatly appreciate it!

WI OZAUKEE FREDONIA 1880 CENSUS
Anna Hoffmann 54 born Luxemburg, parents born Lux.
Nicholas Hoffmann 10 born Wis. parents born Lux.
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Nicholas Hoffman m. Anna Tackes in Luxembourg. Came to America around 1855-1860, settling in Fredonia, WI. Their Daughter Margaret or Margaretha b. 10/28/1853 Luxembourg, d. 8/5/1937, Fredonia WI. m. Abt 1868, Fredonia, WI, Nicholas Thill b. 12/24/1842 Luxembourg, d. 4/28/1921, Fredonia , WI. had the children: Peter Thill m. Appalonia, Susan, Catherine m. Mike Grolinger, John m. Catharine Smith, Anna m. John Krell, Mathias m. Theresa Krell, Nicholas m. Elizabeth Goschey, Mary m. John P. "Jemp" Goschey, Henry m. Magdolen Mayer, Joseph m. Mary Marie Dimmer.

They are mostly buried at Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery, Holy Cross, Ozaukee Cty., WI. If you have any information please contact me!!! http://www.geocities.com/ttg13
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?nicholas::hoffman::1319.html
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SD KINGSBURY OLDHAM 1910 Census
HOFFMAN NICHOLAS 41 M W WI married 19 years, parents born Germany
Nellie 42 Iowa, 7 children, 5 living, parents born Ireland
John E. 13 SD
Raymond F. 8 SD.
Elsie V. 6
Angeline B. 6 SD.
Mary A. 5 mos. SD
Mary Moriarity mother-in-law 88 Ireland, wd. 6 children, 4 living
John 40 bro-in-law wd. Iowa
Mary niece 9 SD
Annie A. niece 7 SD
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WI OZAUKEE FREDONIA 1910 Census
Mary Goschey 64 Germany widow, 12 children, farmer
Mike 30 Wisconsin
Lizzie 26 Wisconsin
John 22
John P. 20
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WI OZAUKEE FREDONIA TWP 1900 CENSUS
Peter Goschy 56 born March 1844 Germany, married 34 years, immigrated 1844, in US 56 years pa. farmer, parents born Germany.
Mary 54, born Nov. 1845 Germany, married 34 years, 14 chilren, 12 living, immigrated 1860, in US. 40 years, parents born Germany.
Michael 21, born April 1879 Wisconsin
Lizzie 16, born Aug. 1883 Wis.
John 12, born Oct. 1887 Wis.
John P. 10, born Jan. 1890 Wis.

The odds of getting the right information on this death record?

December 11th, 2009 2 comments

Alright…I messed up when I bought my last death record from the Cook County genealogical office (Chicago) online. I bought the wrong person’s that had the same name as the person I wanted to buy. This time however, I’m sure I have the right person. Her name is Maria (Steele) Gorey. She died on January 25, 1920. I knew this because I found a telegram sent to my great grandfather telling him that she had died when I visited my grandma. Anyways, I found the record online. I’m going to buy it, but it costs $15. I’m 16 and I really don’t want to waste my money. I have to buy it online with my mom’s credit card and then pay her back. I just want to know what anyone thinks the odds are that I will get her parents’ names on this death certificate.

The earliest record I have bought from Cook County was 1932 and it had a line for parents’ names however, no one filled it out (I think in that case the person didn’t have family members around when she died). For my Maria Steele, I know for a fact that when she died she had 3 children living in Chicago, and that they probably would have known Maria Steele’s parents’ (My great grandfather’s grandparents’) names because they took trips up to Wisconsin and used to spend time with them.

So if anyone has ordered a death record from around this time in Chicago, I’d like to hear what you got. Also I’d like to hear what anyone else thinks will happen if I order this certificate. For a side note, my parents hate when I ask them about their families, and they totally don’t support me doing this at all and I don’t want to listen to my mom say I told you so. Hopefully I can get this information.
haha Jan…The family tree you just posted on your answer is mine…The Shaw family tree is my account on ancestry.com. That information is everything I have found without any help from other people’s family trees on ancestry.com (So far I can find no family tree to link up with).

To Wendy: According to the census of 1900 or 1920, her birth date is november of 1870 so that explains why she is not on a 1870 census. And since the 1890 censuses were burned that is why she is not on those. I just can’t seem to find her on the 1880 Census. Her sister Belle died in 1903. I have a telegram a "Eugene Steele" sent Maria Steele in 1903 telling her "Belle is DEAD". However, I don’t know whether Eugene is a brother, uncle, or father. It could be her father because Maria Steele’s son (my great grandpa) was named Francis Eugene Gorey. Hence his middle name was named after his grandfather.

My account name on ancestry.com is "lilshaw1212" and my family tree name is "Shaw Family tree".
Michael "Mike" Gorey died on May 2, 1902 when he fell into the Chicago river and drowned to death while working on the docks. Maria Steele raised the children all by herself. My grandma told me that her father (Francis Gorey) used to take trips with his mother Maria Steele and spend months up in Wisconsin with Maria’s family. I’m guessing it was so Maria could take some time off from raising her 3 surviving children all by herself. I’ve searched high and low both online and off for Maria Steele’s parents and I’m thinking this death record is my last chance.

Also, where did you find that information about the marriage. The only thing I could find on the marriage was that it took place in 1891 (from a Chicago census)
To Jan: no Belle Steele is not black. I have a picture of Maria Steele and she is most defintely white. From the censuses of 1900 and 1920, I know that Maria Steele’s (and Belle’s) parents were from Ireland, so I’m thinking there is a pretty slim chance they are black.

I have been trying to find your Marie Steel in the 1880 census, but no luck. I find her and husband Mike Gorey in 1900, where she gives her birth as Nov 1870 in Wisc. They were married 9 yrs.. her sister was Belle Steel, born Aug 1880 in Wisc, was living with them. This proves the parents lived until that time.. but darned if I can find them. Mike has died pre 1920, since the kids are listed with mom in that census, and she shows as a widow. This seems to be a case of they listed her, even though she died??
The thing I am wondering about, is what happened to sister Belle? If she married, and died, there will also be a death cert for her, and she would be the most likely informant for Marie’s death record. But.. no guarantee, never is.
I don’t have ancestry.com, so maybe someone will come in behind me, and pick up on something else. The problem is that there is no 1890 census which would show both girls with parents, and Belle is not going to show in 1880.
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just did more searching, and find…
MARIE STEELE Family
Marriage:
11 JUN 1891 , Cook, Illinois
(that is the filed marriage date for Marie and Michael Gorey, so the marriage was in Cook county).

GOREY, MICHAEL 1902-05-02CHICAGO 40 YRU 00006684COOK
it looks like this could be the death date for your Michael, the age seems to be right for a 1861 birth.

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What happened to my great grandmother Fredricka Pollota (pallatz)?

December 9th, 2009 1 comment

She was born 2/18/1865 in germany and died 3/20/05 in Burlington,Wisconsin area .She married Charles Pollotz(pallatz) she had children Ella,Annie,Meta (lizzy)Louise and Paul.I see all thier names on records for Wisconsin except hers ,where did she go why can’t I find any records of her even a death record?

You’ve fallen prey to a census taker with bad handwriting that was hard to transcribe. Try this from the 1900 census in Kenosha Co:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Charles Palaty
Name: Charles Palaty
Home in 1900: Randall, Kenosha, Wisconsin
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Germany
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse’s Name: Fredia
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1889
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Palaty 39
Fredia Palaty 34
Ella Palaty 14
Anna Palaty 11
Mata Palaty 9
Elizabeth Palaty 6

And here’s the 1905 Wisconsin State Census:
Name: Charley Pollets
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Kenosha
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Randall
Birth Location: Germany
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Race: White
Relation: Head
Line: 36
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charley Pollets 42
Ella Pollets 19
Anna Pollets 16
Melta Pollets 14
Lizzie Pollets 12
Paul Pollets 3

She was dead by 1 Jun 1905. I’d check with the Kenosha County Clerk’s Office about the death certificate. Wisconsin was good at keeping them at that time. If you don’t find it in Kenosha Co, then check out Milwaukee or Lake Co IL

Here’s the only death of anyone named Frederika or a variant of who died in Kenosha Co in 1905 and is on the Wisconsin Death Index. There’s a possibility this is her maiden name…not uncommon to be reported that way. It’s off 28 days from the date you have, but it’s possible. You’d have to get the Clerk’s Office to verify it.

Name: Frederica Schmorrow
Death Date: 20 Feb 1905
County: Kenosha
Volume: 02
Page #: 0155
Reel: 041
Image: 1481
Index Volume: –
ImageNum: 104718
Sequence #: 342741
Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index.