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How would you feel if this happened in your city,county or state with illegal immigrants?

Mo. town outraged over killings, illegal immigrant
http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2009/03/20/ap/us/d971tl300.txt
By JIM SALTER
HANNIBAL, Mo. – A Hannibal police officer was finishing up mundane paperwork on a quiet Saturday morning when Manuel Cazares walked into the station, blood splattered on his hands and shoes.

Cazares put his hands out, crossed them, and told the officer to arrest him.

"I killed two people," he allegedly said.

Details surrounding the allegations are far too common: an abusive relationship, a jilted lover, a sudden attack.

But some in this Mississippi River community of 17,000 best known as Mark Twain’s hometown aren’t just outraged by the violence. They also question why Cazares was in Hannibal at all.

Cazares admitted after his arrest that he is an illegal immigrant from the Mexican state of Michoacan. The 32-year-old had several run-ins with law enforcement before the homicides, but officials had never questioned his legal status.

Now he is charged with two counts of second-degree murder and armed criminal action in the Feb. 28 deaths of his ex-girlfriend, 27-year-old Amanda Thomas, and 25-year-old Carl Patrick Epley.

"I don’t know how this happens," said Tina White-Masengill, Thomas’ sister. "My stepdad told police many times, ‘I don’t even think the guy’s a legal citizen.’"

During his three years in Hannibal, Cazares managed to avoid detection, despite a few traffic violations and a property damage conviction after an arrest for allegedly beating up Thomas and tearing up her home. Thomas had a restraining order against Cazares, who got probation in the property-damage case.

Police say his name wasn’t in a database maintained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Police and Cazares’ boss also say he had authentic-looking identification, including a Social Security card. And police noted that Cazares speaks fluent English.

Cazares’ attorney did not return phone messages seeking comment. Cazares is being held in lieu of $1 million bond.

Hannibal police declined several interview requests from The Associated Press, but said soon after the killing that they had received several angry calls, some with racial overtones.

Days after the killings, rocks were thrown through plate-glass windows at the Mexican restaurant where Cazares worked. The FBI decided against opening a hate-crime investigation after concluding that it was vandalism, not retaliation.

Hundreds of messages related to the case were posted on the Hannibal Courier-Post Web site, with several questioning why authorities hadn’t been able to determine Cazares’ legal status before. One suggested police should conduct raids to seek out other illegal immigrants.

"Of course we have folks who say that’s unconstitutional and racial profiling so we have to ignore the problem until this sort of terrible tragedy takes place," the posting read. The newspaper eventually took down the postings.

At a news conference, police Capt. James Hark told reporters that tracking illegal immigrants is a federal responsibility. He said the department is sympathetic to the victims’ families, "but, in retrospect, there’s nothing in the system that would have prevented this from happening."

ICE spokesman Carl Rusnok said the agency seeks to work closely with local police to uncover illegal immigrants.

"When local law enforcement suspect that they have arrested an illegal alien on criminal charges, we encourage them to forward those suspicions to ICE, where we will make the appropriate determination whether that person is in the country legally or illegally, and whether he is deportable," Rusnok said.

The relationship between Cazares and Thomas had long been rocky, with Thomas seeking restraining orders in 2007 and again early last year. Marion County prosecutor Tom Redington said the first order was dismissed when Thomas failed to appear at a court hearing; the second was dismissed at her request.

Thomas made a third attempt around Thanksgiving and obtained a restraining order that was supposed to keep Cazares away from the small brick duplex where she lived with their 20-month-old son and a 7-year-old daughter from a previous relationship.

Yet neighbors said they often saw Cazares in the area.

"We pulled up one night and he drives up the street with his car lights off and just sits there watching her house," said neighbor Charles Thomas, who is not related to the victim.

In early February, Thomas told police she thought Cazares was stalking her. White-Masengill said her sister played cell phone messages for police, including one in which he said, "No one can love you like I do."

Redington said he didn’t have Cazares arrested immediately because of the "on-again, off-again nature of their relationship." He asked Thomas to obtain records that would show that Cazares had been calling her, but she never got the records.

According to court records, Cazares offered the following a

Personally, I think the police should have the right to shoot the illegal where he stands. Send his dead rear end back to Mexico and let them bury him.

Personally I think we should have US troops stationed on the border and anyone who wants to come here illegally should be shot on sight.

If I want to visit another country I get a passport and do it legally. I expect no less from others.

  1. paulj53@att.net
    April 7th, 2010 at 15:01 | #1

    Personally, I think the police should have the right to shoot the illegal where he stands. Send his dead rear end back to Mexico and let them bury him.

    Personally I think we should have US troops stationed on the border and anyone who wants to come here illegally should be shot on sight.

    If I want to visit another country I get a passport and do it legally. I expect no less from others.
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  2. shoyourite
    April 7th, 2010 at 15:37 | #2

    ICE spokesman carl rusnok is full of shit. they dont deal with illegals on a case by case basis. you bring em a truckload of 14 and theyll be your best friend. bring em consuelo gonzales rodrigues gutierrez by himself and they blow you off.

    not long ago a local officer was shot by an illegal who had several contacts with law enforcement. had the boy been booted out the first go round it would have never happened.

    how do i feel? this pisses me off hardcore. but apparently immigration, like the district attorney has too much of a caseload and they have to "prioritize."

    one thing a job in law enforcement teaches you pretty quick. there is no justice.
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    personal damn experience

  3. Sparky
    April 7th, 2010 at 15:58 | #3

    The majority of the illegal aliens from south of the border are hard working and law abiding. They should still be deported. But we shouldn’t be angry with them, they didn’t do this. Hold only those accountable that did the deed.

    Isn’t it amazing that the aliens have to be evaluated for deportation. I guess you have to verify if they are here illegal. What should happen is that they get a nice jail sentence for being here illegally and then deported.
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  4. Crazy Dave
    April 7th, 2010 at 16:10 | #4

    Outraged! Look up the statistics about crimes committed by illegal immigrants it will blow your mind! Try looking for the heading the truth about illegal immigration or something similar and it will give you stats.

    I think the article is actually called "The dark side of illegal immigration".
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  5. bored in oregon
    April 7th, 2010 at 16:37 | #5

    S**T this happens all the time where I live. (Oregon) I would say 85% of the people who commit crime in Salem are Mexican and out of the 85%, I would say 70% don’t speak English. But I guess it is against the law to ask if someone is legal or not? That’s what I have heard anyways. Its BULL! In my high school Mexicans sold drugs right in front of everyone, but did anyone do anything??? No because they would claim it was racism. Also on top of that, they didn’t have to learn English, my school went out of there way to make separate classes, so Mexican students could learn in their own language. What a messed up world?
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    Experience, my life

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