Death Records Now

ok so heres the scoop. my boyfriend and I have been together 3 1/2 years. We have a 2 year old daughter and we bought a house last april. Since the beginning commitment has always been an issue. I got pregnant 7 months into the relationship while on birth control and he didnt want a child at the time so he asked me to get an abortion. I refused and eventually he was OK with the idea however he said i Trapped him into the relationship by getting pregnant. We have never broken up but there were times where it was an option. We have been to counceling together and i seemed to do nothing but positive for us-which is great! Marriage is something i have always wanted and it went from "i will never marry you, to Maybe one day" I am his first serious relationship and he was always wondering if he was missing out on other women but he never cheated until NOW!. About 1 month ago he went to florida to work and is currently still out there. I found out through my phone records that he was talking to another woman. I confronted him and he admitted to it. They didnt have sex or oral but they kissed and he gave him a hand job. I also talked to the woman and thier stories matched, I have no doubt he was being honest. I was furious and i gave him an ultimatum-Put a ring on my finger by december or i am done and i will do everything in my power to keep you from our daughter. HE TOOK IT. I bought a ring last thursday ($3000) and i am holding it until he returns oct 15th where he is supposed to propose. I am very overwhelmed though. I love him to death but i am sad it took him cheating to take the next step when giving him an ultimatum. I hope he doesnt ever cheat and he says e wont-he even got a tattoo symbolizing our daughter and myself. Could he really have had an ephihany after cheating?Realizing what he had back home and wanting to marry me? Am i crazy for giving him a second chance or can this really work? Was this really what needed to happen in order for him to commit? Please help me and reassure me giving him a second chance was the right thing to do!!! thanks
i should add a couple years ago i kissed a gay guy in front of him while at a gay bar in chicago. He was pretty upset but never broke up with me

I am saying i have not been faithful or an angel the whole time so can i really be upset for what hes done?

also i asked WHY he cheated and he said he was lonely! I don’t buy it for a second i believe an opportunity came up and he took it

Dont get married, Just because he puts a ring on it and signs some papers doesnt mean he will change. If he really wants to change it will take time, he wont change over night.

Dont rush into getting married, wait for a while and make sure he is ready to be a good husband, like I said he wont change over night it will take a while, if you let him slide this time he will think its ok and do it again. Time will tell so, be engaged for now and see how that works out for a while.

While in the Illinois State Senate, Obama supported homosexual marriage, racial preferences, the banning of all firearms, flag-burning, socialized medicine and the absolute right to abortion, including partial-birth abortions. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive an abortion. He is anti-war, voted against the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act, against privatizing Social Security and opposes the death penalty, three strikes laws and school vouchers. He has no military service record. He strongly supports the decriminalization of marijuana.

Barack Hussein Obama was voted the most liberal Senator of 2007

because he lets muslims recruit in america.
because he tells the world how he hates us.
He is the first pres to side with the enemy we are fighting in 2 wars.
He is a chicago money changer for organized crime.
He is pushing a Godless Communist agenda and we won’t stand for it any longer.

Dr. Paul McHugh takes an inside look at the records of the notorous late-abortionist. For more information on what is happening in Kansas go to www.womeninfluencingthenation.com

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Okay Pa laws state a baby must take a breath in order to be considered a living person.

As most of you know we lost our daughter shortly after her birth. At 32 weeks. When she was born she had heart beat therefore being a living person. Pa is one of the only 3 states in the US to have laws that say a child must take a breath to be considered born. So that being said they say that my daughter was considered still born. Every single doctor who has worked with us that night we have spoken to they say she was absolutely not still born. I wondered why I didn’t receive a birth cert for Stefanie so I went to the records office and they told me to fill out a form and they would mail it to me they do not mail them out of respect of the mother. Well the next day I got a call from them and they said she would not get a birth cert because she did not take a breath on her own. And that has got me thinking. Now say she lived but could only breath by machines and say she was on these machines for 3 months. So to the state of Pennsylvania she is not born? So a child could be 3 months old and finally take that breath on their own and then considered born? So what would the birth cert say? They make these stupid laws without even thinking what they are doing. They say they won’t pass the law because of people who have abortions. Well think about how dumb that is if a person has an abortion than they must not have wanted the child so then why the hell would they worry about a birth cert. They have not given thought to the mothers and fathers who would like to have that acknowledgment. My daughter deserves a birth cert just as much as I do and you do and the person who made this silly law. I realize that a birth certificate really doesn’t mean anything but it would have still been nice to at least have something that showed she was here. In my eyes you are a living person when you have a heart beat she was outside of the womb for almost a half hour with a small heart beat. In my eyes, husband, and doctors we feel that is a living person. It is so upsetting I have shed so many tears in these past few months that I wouldn’t be surprised if I was dehydrated.

I’m posting to get your thoughts. Would you be upset and hurt by your child not being acknowledged. A person is alive when they have a heart beat do you agree? Just any answer is fine I guess.

We have a copy of the death cert. Now how can there be a death without a birth?

Thanks guys
We have her foot prints, blankets they wrapped her in and her hat, not to make anyone sad but in her hat is a little piece of hair that I just discovered a few days ago. Which is something because the day after I wished I had a lock of her long curly hair and I just happened to turn the hat inside out just to see and there it was. The hospital made us a hospital birth certificate which was very nice of them to do.

She was born May 9th at 11:08pm and the records say time of death was 11:55pm so she lived for almost an hour.

I just wish I could change this law but I’m not powerful enough. Maybe someday it will be changed and she will get what she deserves.

I am so sorry about your loss and the situation with your precious daughter. Im in OK, and the law here is a little different. Our daughter was born at 23 weeks, and lived for 4 hours. I was able to get a birth certificate fine, but couldn’t’ get a death certificate because the on call ped was new and didn’t ever file a death certificate. It was a huge mess – bad enough my daughter was dead, but 10 months later I had to PROVE that she was dead, and had died in the hospital. Finally my ob/gyn went to bat for me adn she wrote up the death certificate for our daughter. I would see if your ob would go to bat for you on this one. I think if she has a heartbeat it would be hard to say that she never took a single breath – but its all medical terminology – they don’t really leave much room for actuality or emotion.

I will be praying fro you and your family, and your precious baby girl. Yes, I would be absolutely upset. What is even more weird is that you have a death certificate and no birth certificate – I would make up my own birth certificate for her if I were you.

"Springfield, IL (Nov. 29, 2005) — Compared to women who have not been pregnant in the prior year, deaths from suicide, accidents and homicide are 248% higher in the year following an abortion, according to a new 13-year study of the entire population of women in Finland.

The study also found that majority of the extra deaths among women who had abortions were due to suicide. The suicide rate among women who had abortions was six times higher than that of women who had given birth in the prior year and double that of women who had miscarriages.

The epidemiological study, published in the European Journal of Public Health, was conducted by Finland’s National Research and Development Center for Welfare and Health (STAKES). The researchers looked at data between 1987 and 2000 on all deaths among women of reproductive age (15 to 49).

While the risk of death from suicide, accidents, and homicide was highest among women who had abortions within the prior year, the risk of death was lowest among women who gave birth within the prior year, who had less than half the death rate of women who had not been pregnant. The risk of death following a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy, however, did not significantly differ from the risk of death among non-pregnant women.

The new study confirms findings from previous record-based studies carried out in Finland and the United States that have found elevated risks of death among women who have abortions. A 1997 government-funded study in Finland found that aborting women were 3.5 times more likely to die within the next year compared to women who gave birth.

In addition, researchers examining death records linked to medical payments for birth and abortion for 173,000 California women found that aborting women were 62 percent more likely to die than delivering women over the eight year period examined. That study also found that the increase risk of death was most prominent from suicides and accidents, with a 154 percent higher risk of death from suicide and an 82 percent higher risk of death from accidental injuries."
http://www.afterabortion.org/news/suicide205.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47705
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459789/Abortion-risk-mental-health-make-suicide-times-likely.html
A similar study…

"There is strong evidence that abortion dramatically increases the risk of suicide. According to a 1986 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota, a teenage girl is 10 times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than is a comparable teenage girl who has not had an abortion.(2) Other studies have found similar statistical significance between a history of abortion and suicide attempts among adults. Thus, the actual data suggests that abortion is far more likely to drive an unstable woman to suicide than is pregnancy and childbirth.

Meta Uchtman, director of the Cincinnati chapter of Suiciders Anonymous, reported that in a 35 month period her group worked with 4000 women, of whom 1800 or more had abortions. Of those who had abortions, 1400 were between the ages of 15 and 24, the age group with the fastest growing suicide rate in the country."
http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/abortion_and_suicide.asp

Until there is a study proving that every single one of those women who committed suicide after having an abortion did so explicitly BECAUSE of said abortion, this proves nothing. Did those suicides leave notes detailing that they could not live with what they had done? Chances are very few did.

Having an abortion is highly stigmatized. Perhaps these women killed themselves afterwards not because they felt guilt or whatever it is you’re trying to imply, but because so-called "pro-lifers" made their lives completely miserable.

Additionally: you are only looking at statistics in Finland, which are hardly representative of anywhere else in the world. Finland has a population of only 5.4 million people – less than the population of New York City – and has an extremely good health care system, which means post-natal care is superb.

In other words: you can find results that fit your hypothesis if you plan it that way.