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Need some information on my great great grandmother?

November 23rd, 2011 2 comments

Born sidney marshall. In geogia maybe stewart county and worth county around 1860 to 70 I believe one of her children was my great grandmother. Was married to george jackson. I also need information on him also and they’re death records including cause of death and date of death. I also need what race they were. I need information on my great grandmother illinois also including cause of death and date of death. Someone help me I’m starting a genealogy project.

There’s this one, it says son, but if you look at the original the M for male is a lot darker than the other writing on the page as though it has been written over something.

1880 United States Federal Census about Sidney Marshall
Name: Sidney Marshall
Home in 1880: Mineral Springs, Stewart, Georgia
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Georgia
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father’s birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Name: Emmaline Marshall
Mother’s birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Marital Status: Single
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Household Members:
Name Age
Emmaline Marshall 40
Tau… Marshall 11
Harriett Marshall 6
Sidney Marshall 4
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Name: Sidney Acors
Home in 1900: Mineral Springs, Stewart, Georgia
[Omaha, Stewart, Georgia]
Age: 22
Birth Date: Aug 1877
Birthplace: Georgia
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother: number of living children: 3
Mother: How many children: 3
Spouse’s Name: George Acors
Marriage Year: 1894
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Acors 23
Sidney Acors 22
Primrose Acors 4
Ilinois Acors 10
Willis Acors 1

Marriage records in Michigan.?

August 15th, 2011 5 comments

So I located the marriage record on-line for my great grandparents,born in the mid 1800s.The information about their parents names and where they came from,wasn`t there.So, I need to either travel to the town where the record is,or send them $15.00 by mail.Will I get a copy of the actual record?I need brakes on my car and with gas prices so high,I thought I would write for it,but then I worry,I will get the wrong record,or the information I need won`t be there.Mich has not released all the death records and a person has to be dead for 150 years before you can obtain a birth certificate.Anyone that has been dead that long,likely was not even born here.The reason I couldn`t find it before,my great grandmother`s last name was misspelled on-line,but not on the actual record.I have gotten more information from family search,than my worthless ancestry.com subscription.
You were all very helpfull.Hard to pick a best answer.

Having read your other question, I’m going to answer parts of both in one place.

I have pretty good experience with Michigan marriage records. First, you need to know that there are different types of "marriage records". This is a generic term for anything that documents a marriage, whether it be a marriage license or certificate issued to the couple, a return book, record book, marriage bond, or register book. Each of these will have different information about the couple. In Michigan each county determines what records they keep and what information will be on them. Some counties have made frequent changes. If you get information from the record about the parents is hit and miss. In Michigan they often have place of residence, but usually do not have place of birth or places associated with the parents.

Since you are looking for a copy, I suspect you have not located the record online, but rather an index or transcription of the record. This source should give you the precise information you need to find the copy they indexed or transcribed from. If it was from Family Search you might be able to take the source code information to a Family History Center and request the microfilm. If it’s from a published genealogy book you can sometimes request an inter-library loan from your local branch library, request a photocopy of the page of interest, or check Google Books.

A few tips about ordering records from public agencies: they will not do research and they will not guess, no matter how logical or obvious. They will look for exactly what you ask them to look for. If the date range you ask for is 1 day off, if a name is spelled 1 letter off, or if your information gives them more than 1 possible record you may get a note back saying the record could not be found. This is why the indexes online are helpful. They *should* be exactly as they appear in the record. In both cases this requires that someone is able to read the handwritten record (i.e. Elmira and Elvira can get confused). When you send away to the agency they will either photocopy the information from their books, or they will transfer the information to a form and this form is considered a copy (although not always certified).

GenWebs do not provide records, they provide a place where people can post information and links to helpful resources. What the GenWeb itself provides is free, but not all of the resources they list will be.

Are these the same people?

July 20th, 2011 5 comments

I know that my great grandmother’s name was Kathryn Lescher and that lived in Ohio as a child. I found her in the 1910 census living with her mother whose name is listed as Mary King. I then proceeded to find a death record for a Mary Lescher who was also born in Germany, buried in Ohio and died in Michigan, which is where she was living towards the end of her life. On this death record, her father is listed as having the last name Stein. I then found a marriage record in 1902 for a Mary Stein and a Joseph Lescher in the same area of Ohio. Finally, I found a death record for a Joseph Lescher in 1907 and a marriage record for a Mrs. Mary Lescher and a John King in 1908. Given all of these records, does this all seem to fit together well enough to conclude that these are the same people and in fact my ancestors?
Sorry. John King was also in the home in 1910. I was able to find Mary in the 1900 census but she was living with her sister who she must have come to America with while her parents stayed back in Germany.
Also, her burial was in the same place as where she lived for a large portion of her life growing up.
And the 1910 census says she’s married twice to further back up the two different marriages. The only weird thing is that with the dates she would have married at about 17 years old to a man about 13-14 years older. On the other hand, John King is 13 years older than her as well, so I guess that makes it seem more believable.

Almost all of it is real clear that Mary was married 1st to Joseph, married 2nd as widow to John King, and thus her name is correct in the 1910 census.
My question might be what happened to John King? he wasn’t in the home in 1910? did she divorce him and resume using the prior Lescher name?
Whether or not the death record is your Mary is open to question, even with the last name of Stein. You would need to match up the dates to determine if it is close enough. WHERE is the Ohio burial? is it in the same location as she was raised?
I would still work to find Mary in the 1900 census, and define who the parents were. If they are buried in the same locality as the Mary whose death record you have.. it would be more evidence.

Where can I find free downloadable death records for pennsylvania 1923?

May 15th, 2011 2 comments

I’m trying to locate my great aunt -Margaret Dougherty – whom I knew nothing about until yesterday when I found a letter from a Mrs. Weston informing my great grandmother that she had died (1923) and was to be buried in the local church, the funeral was to be paid for out of the $300 she had in her bank account. With it I found a letter from margaret dated a year previous, begging her family to take her home so she could die in Ireland. I cannot seem to be able to access any online databases…i know she had been in a hospital

Where should I start?

You don’t say if Dougherty is your aunts birth name or married name.
I have done a search on ancestry.com and the only record I could find was a 1920 census listing a Margaret Dougherty aged 66,born in Ireland and living as a lodger at no.6 Bells Court,possibly flat or room 55. She was single and unemployed and unable to read or write.This was in enumeration district 122.Area5,Philadelphia,Pennsylvania. If this was her and she died in 1923 she would have been about 69/70 (1854–1923)
This seems to have been quite a large boarding house and there were quite a number of other Irish boarders there. If it was her,she may have got someone else to write a letter for her.
Cannot find a death record for her. Hope this helps.
edit: Just found some passenger lists but need a probable birth year to try to match up margaret as there are a number of people with the same name.

Genetic Tracing to my 2nd Great Grandfather?

June 14th, 2010 2 comments

I’ve been doing genealogy for quite a while now, and I have the use of ancestry.com and have a lot of my genealogy listed out on Family Tree Maker. Well a certain part of my genealogy has had me stumped for a long while. My great, great grandfather, Sylvester Rufus Allen, I can find nothing on except that he married Faith Wilbur Ostrander in 1901 in Portsmouth, VA. She was born July 25, 1883 in Rensselaer County, New York and died June 01, 1960 in Portsmouth, VA. They had four kids. Ruth Louise Allen, my great grandmother (born October 30, 1903 in South Norfolk, VA (?)), Luther L. Allen (b. Abt. 1904 in Virginia), Richard Cline Allen (b. Abt. 1906 in Virginia) and Teresa Mae Allen (b. May 17, 1909 in Portsmouth, VA). I’ve looked at Ruth’s death certificate (she lived and died in Beaufort Co, NC) and it does confirm that her father was Rufus Allen (but it does not list where he was born). Aunt Tessie Roberts (Teresa Mae Allen) died in February 1997 in Troy, Rensselaer County, NY. My hope is that someday I can go to NY and find her death certificate and see if it tells something new about Rufus. (ancestry.com doesn’t have some death certificates on there, especially not new ones).

I have a hunch though, that there’s a possibility that Rufus Allen immigrated from either Ireland or England (or is the son or grandson of immigrants). I have no other relatively close ancestors that immigrated (closest would be like 7th great grandparents), so my question is, would a DNA blood test confirm that I have close Irish or English blood in me and kind of give me a hint as to where the Allen’s come from? I can find no records of a Rufus Allen in Virginia, North Carolina or New York and he died around 1916 or so (so I’m told) and he married in 1901 so the only census that I’d be able to find both Rufus and his wife, Faith in would be the 1910 census; which I conveniently can find no record of with them in it.

DNA tests themselves with not tell you from what countries your ancestors immigrated. They can be helpful in many cases in allowing you to match yourself with others’ family trees.

Y DNA is passed from father to son. In other words you get Y from your father, his father, his father and so on. If Sylvester Rufus Allen is in your direct paternal line you have a chance of making a match with other family trees that can help you discover his origins.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from mother to both sons and daughters but only the daughters pass it on to their children. You got your Mitochondrial from your mother, her mother, her mother and so on.

Autosomal which you get 50-50 from both parents. However, when you get back to your grandparents it will not be 25-25-25-25. You got 50% from your paternal grandparents and 50% from your maternal grandparents but what you inherited will not be an even breakdown between grandmother and grandfather on both sides of your family. How you inherited this bias will not be how your siblings inherited it unless you have an identical twin.

Y & Mitochondrial are used in genealogy for people to match themselves to other family trees. However, they represent a very tiny part of your DNA and a very tiny part of your total ancestry. You have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents and it doubles up each generation you go back. For instance if you get back to your 16 great great grandparents, having both Y & Mitochondrial tested would leave out 14 of them.

It is a more complicated to use Autosomal for genealogy purposes. Now, there is one company that will take your Autosomal DNA and match you with population groups throughout the world. But this will not prove the origin of your great great grandfather. The same DNA crosses racial, national and ethnic boundaries. There are no pure races, nationalities or ethnicities. DNATribes will give you your top 20 matches in descending order.

http://www.DNATribes.Com

Now another option for you is a copy of a social security number application for one of his children. The 2 I had ordered for someone had the names of both parents, including mother’s maiden name and their places of birth. Social Security didn’t start until January 1, 1935. The index begins for deaths around the mid 1950s. Now I have been told and I have found it to be true that if a person was not drawing social security at time of death and on their own social security number that they will not be on the index.
Two I found that this did not apply to were a couple of elderly people who had to get Medicaid. They had never put into Social Security or drew Social Security benefits but they had to get a Social Security number in order to get Medicaid. The dates of death on both were about a week off.

Rootsweb(free site) has the Social Security Death Index. Even though there is a space for the social security number, you don’t necessarily need it as long as you put the name in as they were on social security. Once you find a person if you click on SS-5 letter to the right it will pull up a letter that all you need to do is put your return address on it and attach a $27 check.

I believe a copy of a social security number application is more reliable. The applicant himself/herself gave the information on his/her parents. A death certificate often relies upon a widow or widower giving that info on their inlaws or one of the children giving the information on their grandparents under very stressful conditions.

I am trying to find information about my great grandmother Sarah Emmaline Davis and her parents.?

January 15th, 2010 3 comments

The only information I currently have is from she was born Dec 7 1882 in MO near or in St. Louis. Her parents names are Jack and Caroline, Jack could be a nickname and he could be a Sr. I know she had a son named Fredrick Haninger Jr. born Oct. 16, 1904 in Kansas and then married Samuel James Crowley before 1909 in KS. They then had my grandfather Samuel Robert Crowley born March 9,1909 in Wichita, KS. I have found her living with Samuel Robert Crowley in the 1910, 1915, 1920, and 1930 census records all in Wichita, KS. After Samuel James Crowley’s death in 1940 she married a man with the last name of Ward. Sarah Emmaline Davis went by Emma in the census records I have found and is also the name on her tombstone. She died in Wichita, KS on July 18, 1954. I am unsure of her maiden name, living relatives believe that Davis is her maiden name. Any information about her would be awesome help. Willing to answer any questions that I have answers too. Thank you all for your help.
Or if anyone has some websites that would be helpful. I had a subscription to ancestry.com and several other sites such as the familysearch.com.
I have not been able to find any state records, before 1909 in the state of kansas.

Just ran a search & found an Elma who lived near a John & Caroline–not an exact match but close enough to list just in case. Good luck!

1900 census: Kirkville, MO

901 E Jefferson St.
Davis, Johnothan A, head
born Mar 1831 in Indiana (parents TN)
Davis, Caroline, wife
born Oct 1844 in Maryland (parents England)
Davis, Emmet, son
born Mar 1879 in MO

913 E Jefferson St
Davis, Elma, roomer with Mary & S H Darnell
born July 1882 in MO (parents unknown)

and in between those two–
903 E Jefferson St
Davis, Jas W & Sa

The same John A & Caroline Davis appear in Bee Ridge, Knox Co., MO in 1880 (ages 49 & 36). Children in 1880 include:
John E, age 13
Nettie M, age 11
Anna L, age 10
James W, age 8
Perry E, age 1

Help please—geneology?

December 27th, 2009 5 comments

Can someone please give me some good FREE sites for geneology searches–I don’t need some where to make a tree just searches and also some where that I can access florida death records for free—Thanks I would pay if I had the money but my family is running short on money right now and I want to find as much info as I can before my 81 year old great grandmother dies please—With prayers she will live much longer and I am truly hoping she does because she is my best friend but that’s here nor there—Mainly I just need those sites==Thanks

My favorite place to realize how many sites there are, is www.cyndislist.com. The trick is knowing that if gr grandma’s parent(s) come from a certain place, the ‘best’ place may be a specialized one, not the "we have 3 trillion names in our database" type. www.usgenweb.com is a volunteer network covering the US, then there is a great tutorial at rootsweb. Also at rootsweb.com (click on searches) is the social security death index. If HER parents died since 1960ish, they are likely in that file. It won’t have certificates itself, but dates and places help. I have never met a mortician I didn’t like.. meaning, if she recalls the cemetery or funeral home, they often will send the file (and they are the ones who fill out the certificates).
Second… take 5 more points and please REPOST with names and approx dates and places (not her, since she is still living). Trust me, you’ll get leads or solid facts.
I am in midst of doing the re-work for my mother in law 84 and her 94 yr old partner. Scanning old pics so she can use her new computer to zoom in (losing her sight, so this is great). Yes, dear.. it IS here or there, its a wonderful gift of yourself, and way to bond even stronger. You go, girl.

GENDIS~ Michigan Genealogical Death Indexing System?

December 11th, 2009 2 comments

Does anyone know where the records are kept that the GENDIS database is transcribed from? Are they with the individual counties or is there a state repository that has these records?

My great great grandmother, Anje Ruiter Jansen was born on April 20, 1834 in Spijk, Groningen, Netherlands, the daughter of Tonnis Bartelds Ruiter and Imke Jans Lanting. She immigrated to America in 1883 and according to a printed genealogy, she died in Feb 1885. I’ve been unable to locate a record to verify this, but found a record in GENDIS that is close. Here is the link:

http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/individual.asp?UniqueID=504803

As you can see, this death record is one year off from the printed genealogy I have, but it is the right month. The only thing that bothers me is that her age at time of death says 30 according to GENDIS; however, I believe that the original record may have been handwritten and her age of 50, may have been mistranscribed as 30. Any ideas?

They come from the records that were sent to the State Archives back in the 40s. Most are copies from the Secretary of State holdings and are copies of records from individual counties. Most counties weren’t keeping consistent death records in 1885.

Assuming she was either Dutch Reformed or Catholic, she either lived on the east side of the state in the Bay City/Thumb area or on the west side in the Grand Rapids/Holland/Muskegon area. Most recent immigrants stuck together for the first generation. It wouldn’t be hard to find the death records if you know the community where she died. Both the RCC and the DRC were wonderful record keepers.

What happened to my great grandmother Fredricka Pollota (pallatz)?

December 9th, 2009 1 comment

She was born 2/18/1865 in germany and died 3/20/05 in Burlington,Wisconsin area .She married Charles Pollotz(pallatz) she had children Ella,Annie,Meta (lizzy)Louise and Paul.I see all thier names on records for Wisconsin except hers ,where did she go why can’t I find any records of her even a death record?

You’ve fallen prey to a census taker with bad handwriting that was hard to transcribe. Try this from the 1900 census in Kenosha Co:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Charles Palaty
Name: Charles Palaty
Home in 1900: Randall, Kenosha, Wisconsin
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Germany
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse’s Name: Fredia
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1889
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Palaty 39
Fredia Palaty 34
Ella Palaty 14
Anna Palaty 11
Mata Palaty 9
Elizabeth Palaty 6

And here’s the 1905 Wisconsin State Census:
Name: Charley Pollets
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Kenosha
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Randall
Birth Location: Germany
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Race: White
Relation: Head
Line: 36
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charley Pollets 42
Ella Pollets 19
Anna Pollets 16
Melta Pollets 14
Lizzie Pollets 12
Paul Pollets 3

She was dead by 1 Jun 1905. I’d check with the Kenosha County Clerk’s Office about the death certificate. Wisconsin was good at keeping them at that time. If you don’t find it in Kenosha Co, then check out Milwaukee or Lake Co IL

Here’s the only death of anyone named Frederika or a variant of who died in Kenosha Co in 1905 and is on the Wisconsin Death Index. There’s a possibility this is her maiden name…not uncommon to be reported that way. It’s off 28 days from the date you have, but it’s possible. You’d have to get the Clerk’s Office to verify it.

Name: Frederica Schmorrow
Death Date: 20 Feb 1905
County: Kenosha
Volume: 02
Page #: 0155
Reel: 041
Image: 1481
Index Volume: –
ImageNum: 104718
Sequence #: 342741
Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index.

Are death records public record?

December 9th, 2009 5 comments

I know my great grandmother died in NJ, somewhere in Bergen county (Rutherford, NJ as far as I know). She had been an immigrant from England in 1942 (approx). Every web site I seem to find for vital records in NJ wants to charge just to search. I understand that there will be a charge for a copy of the record, but aren’t vital records public record?

Some are, some are not, and just because a record is public doesn’t mean the state / county has to spend the time and money to put it on-line.

Some do; West Virginia and Missouri both have wonderful web sites with some BMD records. Some don’t. RootsWeb has data bases of death record indexes from California, Kentucky and Texas, for selected years.

If you have ever read "Day of the Jackal", you may remember how the bad guy got a birth certificate for a child that was born about the time he was but had died young and pretended it was his; he then used it to get a passport. The authorities are more wary these days, but identity thieves are more sophisticated. So, may state and counties are less eager to give out information than they used to be.