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Do Gays Truly Seek Tolerance?

April 3rd, 2010 8 comments

Here is a story (from AP) about gays going after people who exercised their right to vote. I’ve also seen video on youtube of gays attacking people who were for prop 8. There have also been news stories of them going after churches and their congregations.
Is this the tolerance they scream so loud for?

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Supporters of the ballot measure that banned same-sex "marriage" in California have filed a lawsuit seeking to block their campaign finance records from public view, saying the reports have led to the harassment of donors.

"No one should have to worry about getting a death threat because of the way he or she votes," said James Bopp, Jr., an attorney representing two groups that supported Proposition 8, Protect Marriage.com and the National Organization for Marriage California. "This lawsuit will protect the right of all people to help support causes they agree with, without having to worry about harassment or threats."

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in federal court in Sacramento, asks the court to order the secretary of state’s office to remove all donations for the proposition from its website. It also asks the court to relieve the two groups and "all similarly situated persons" from having to meet the state’s campaign disclosure requirements. That would include having to file a final report on Proposition 8 contributions at the end of January, as well as reports for any future campaigns the groups undertake.

Proposition 8, approved by 52.3 percent of California voters on Nov. 4, reversed a state Supreme Court decision allowing homosexual marriage. The measure’s opponents have asked the Supreme Court to overturn it.

The lawsuit filed Wednesday cites a series of incidents in which those who gave money to support Proposition 8 received threatening phone calls, e-mails and postcards. One woman claims she was told: "If I had a gun, I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter." Another donor reported a broken window, one said a fliyer calling him a bigot was distributed around his hometown and others received envelopes containing suspicious white power, according to the lawsuit.

Businesses employing people who contributed to the Proposition 8 campaign have been threatened with boycotts, the suit said.

Supporters of the homosexual marriage ban fear the donor backlash will hurt their efforts to raise money in the future, perhaps to fight an initiative seeking to overturn the ban.

"Several donors have indicated that they will not contribute to committee plaintiffs or similar organizations in the future because of the threats and harassment directed at them as a result of their contributions…and the public disclosure of that fact," the lawsuit said.

The suit said courts have held that laws requiring disclosure of campaign contributions can be overturned or restricted if a group can make "an uncontroverted showing" that identifying its members can result in economic reprisals or threats of physical coercion. California’s Political Reform Act, which voters approved in 1974, established disclosure requirements for candidates and campaign committees.

The secretary of state’s office and another defendant, the state’s Fair Political Practices Commission, declined to comment Thursday on the lawsuit. But Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, the homosexual-rights group that led the campaign against Proposition 8, called it hypocritical for supporters of the measure to try to overturn voter-approved campaign finance laws.

He said Proposition 8 supporters used campaign finance records during the campaign to threaten homosexual-rights supporters. "They’ve used these records to attack corporations, to attack individuals," Kors said.

Peter Scheer, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, which supports public access to government records and meetings, said the lawsuit is likely to be unsuccessful. But he also said the plaintiffs’ arguments are not trivial. "The problem with their argument, of course, is that campaign finance laws, both at the state and federal level, have been litigated endlessly now since Watergate and the argument has, in one form or another, been rejected," Scheer said.

He said courts have consistently failed to agree that contributors have a right to donate directly and anonymously to a candidate or campaign. He said some states have less restrictive reporting requirements, but they always include disclosure of donors.
Don,
Gays NEVER HAD the right to marry. How can it be taken from them if they never had it?
Friendly neighborhood queer: The pendulum swings. Be careful that you bring the fight to people who respond appropriately. We try to be tolerant. Some push their luck. That is sad.

Sorry that we finally decided to fight back after all the years of oppression and death that we were put through simply because of something that we can’t change.

Do Gays Really Want Tolerance (for themselves and others)?

April 1st, 2010 9 comments

Here is a story (from AP) about gays going after people who exercised their right to vote. I’ve also seen video on youtube of gays attacking people who were for prop 8. There have also been news stories of them going after churches and their congregations.
Is this the tolerance they scream so loud for?

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Supporters of the ballot measure that banned same-sex "marriage" in California have filed a lawsuit seeking to block their campaign finance records from public view, saying the reports have led to the harassment of donors.

"No one should have to worry about getting a death threat because of the way he or she votes," said James Bopp, Jr., an attorney representing two groups that supported Proposition 8, Protect Marriage.com and the National Organization for Marriage California. "This lawsuit will protect the right of all people to help support causes they agree with, without having to worry about harassment or threats."

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in federal court in Sacramento, asks the court to order the secretary of state’s office to remove all donations for the proposition from its website. It also asks the court to relieve the two groups and "all similarly situated persons" from having to meet the state’s campaign disclosure requirements. That would include having to file a final report on Proposition 8 contributions at the end of January, as well as reports for any future campaigns the groups undertake.

Proposition 8, approved by 52.3 percent of California voters on Nov. 4, reversed a state Supreme Court decision allowing homosexual marriage. The measure’s opponents have asked the Supreme Court to overturn it.

The lawsuit filed Wednesday cites a series of incidents in which those who gave money to support Proposition 8 received threatening phone calls, e-mails and postcards. One woman claims she was told: "If I had a gun, I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter." Another donor reported a broken window, one said a fliyer calling him a bigot was distributed around his hometown and others received envelopes containing suspicious white power, according to the lawsuit.

Businesses employing people who contributed to the Proposition 8 campaign have been threatened with boycotts, the suit said.

Supporters of the homosexual marriage ban fear the donor backlash will hurt their efforts to raise money in the future, perhaps to fight an initiative seeking to overturn the ban.

"Several donors have indicated that they will not contribute to committee plaintiffs or similar organizations in the future because of the threats and harassment directed at them as a result of their contributions…and the public disclosure of that fact," the lawsuit said.

The suit said courts have held that laws requiring disclosure of campaign contributions can be overturned or restricted if a group can make "an uncontroverted showing" that identifying its members can result in economic reprisals or threats of physical coercion. California’s Political Reform Act, which voters approved in 1974, established disclosure requirements for candidates and campaign committees.

The secretary of state’s office and another defendant, the state’s Fair Political Practices Commission, declined to comment Thursday on the lawsuit. But Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, the homosexual-rights group that led the campaign against Proposition 8, called it hypocritical for supporters of the measure to try to overturn voter-approved campaign finance laws.

He said Proposition 8 supporters used campaign finance records during the campaign to threaten homosexual-rights supporters. "They’ve used these records to attack corporations, to attack individuals," Kors said.

Peter Scheer, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, which supports public access to government records and meetings, said the lawsuit is likely to be unsuccessful. But he also said the plaintiffs’ arguments are not trivial. "The problem with their argument, of course, is that campaign finance laws, both at the state and federal level, have been litigated endlessly now since Watergate and the argument has, in one form or another, been rejected," Scheer said.

He said courts have consistently failed to agree that contributors have a right to donate directly and anonymously to a candidate or campaign. He said some states have less restrictive reporting requirements, but they always include disclosure of donors.

Gays want tolerance for them, but they would still want to bash Christians.

Is it me, and I might sound crazy, or does Auburn’s schedule have them set up to go 12-0?

February 14th, 2010 13 comments

I’m not being biased, I’m just thinking…
We open with LTU, Mississippi State, and Ball State at home all seeming like automatic wins. West Virginia has to come to the Plains for the game this year. Say they win that at Night on National TV. They beat Ball State afterwards, they’re 4-0. Auburn has a winning record all-time in Neyland Stadium and has won 2 straight at Tennessee, 4 overall. If they beat Tennessee on the road, they’re 5-0. Then they go to Arkansas. Auburn has a 4-game winning streak at Arkansas and they’re looking for revenge over a team they shouldn’t have lost to last year. 6-0. Then we host Kentucky. 7-0. So we’re 7-0 and clinching a bowl. We have a great staff. Maybe the best in college football. Then we go to LSU. If we were good enough to win those 7 games, and LSU seems like they’re not what they used to be, and Death Valley has seemed to have lost it’s magic. So if Auburn beats LSU, we’re 8-0. Then we host Ole Miss. If they’re overrated and the game’s at Auburn, the Tigers can win. 9-0. We play Furman. 10-0.
Then we go to rival UGA and host Alabama.
I’m just saying, this schedule fits with our talent, our great coaches, and the fact we’re under-the-radar. Plus, Bama came out of nowhere last year and did the same, so don’t use "They sucked last year" as a reason we won’t be able to go 12-0.

I’m not saying we’re going 12-0, I highly doubt we’ll win 9 games, but think about the schedule. We only have 4 road games (Tennessee, Arkansas, LSU, UGA) and 2 of our toughest opponents come to Auburn. With a good schedule, do you think Auburn has any shot to go 12-0 if they surprise some people? They will surprise some people, but 12-0 isn’t going to happen. But can it?

I want your opinion on my theory.
Let me point out again that Saban had a winning percentage of 30% at Miami and Bama stunk in 2007 and went unbeaten in 2008. what shot does Gene Chizik (with Gus Malzahn, Ted Roof and Tracy Rocker) have of erasing the 5-19 from everyone’s minds and going 12-0?
Aww, C’mon JoePa. lol I can take some trash talk. I’m just asking if it’s in the realm of possibility. Bama went from 6 wins to 12. The reason Auburn can’t go from 5 to 12 with a great staff and underrated players is beyong myself. lol
Philip, you people make out the Auburn AD to be worse than it really is. Tubberville wasn’t fired, he resigned, and Chizik got rid of everybody left.
I know you’re not, I was just throwing it out there. And if we have the luck of last year’s team, we’ll see you in that Gator Bowl. lol
UCLA fan: You purposely meant to get all those facts wrong, didn’t you. UGA doesn’t always beat us (Auburn is 53-50 against UGA and has a 75% winning percentage in Athens). The road team always wins UGA-AU. And Les Miles flashed his brilliance late in the game against Bama last year. NOT. I’m not SAYING they’re going 12-0, do some of you even read what I type up there? I just said don’t count out Auburn. They’ve always been good as an under-the-radar team.

Ha .. ha .. ha .. ha ..

Which answer do you want?

The one that reinforces your fantasy?

The one that brings you back down to earth with a lot of truth and realism in it?

Ok .. I’ll give you something you and I both can live with.

GEORGIA beats Auburn … Period. With that loss your season is over.

http://lh4.google.com/allanburch/R8osz-7GdGI/AAAAAAAAAM4/PfichT_19jk/s800/rayblog.jpg

Ray says : You Got The Wrong Genes … Baby!"

Norry baby!? Was it something I said??? (smiling) You People!? Where’d that come from?!?

I said nothing about the Auburn AD or Tommy Tubberville and I don’t have a problem with Gene Chizik.

I just don’t think you cats have a frozen snowballs chance in Helsinki of going undefeated. Your school is in transition. You got a good minute or two before you get good again.

Oh … yeah! I strongly dispute the 53 Auburn wins versus 50 losses. Right now the record is identical at 49 an 49 and even though the away team has won the majority of games in opponents stadium it’s more like 60% right now for Auburn. but Georgia has won the last 3 contests so that evens it up. I will forgive you on the 53 and 50 numbers. Here’s the link :

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2008&team1=Auburn&team2=Georgia

Which stadiums/venues are the most intimidating for visiting opponents in NCAA football?

February 9th, 2010 11 comments

I’ve heard that "The Swamp" (Florida) is a very difficult place to play, "The Big House" (Michigan), "Death Valley" (LSU), "The Coliseum" (USC), and "The Rose Bowl" (UCLA) are also supposed to be tough venues. Along with these places, I think that Boise St.’s blue field is one of the most difficult places to play because… well look at Boise St.’s record at home within the past few years – opponents have had VERY bad luck there (I don’t believe Hawaii has EVER won there much less any other current WAC team – though I could be wrong).

The Shoe – Ohio State
Texas