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My great grandfather was Florencio Bribiesca. He was born in Penjamo, Mexico on October 28 1896. Apparently he came to America in 1917 through Texas. He had a wife whose name I dont know and a son named Antonio. Aparently she died in a car crash in Oklahoma. He lived in Texas for the most part untill the mid 1930s. He worked on the Rail Road. He married my bisabuela Cyrilla Parra in Taylor, Texas in 1929 I believe. (I dont have it right in front of me.) They had several sons: Johnny, Jose, and Gregory. Towards the end of the 1930’s he moved to Finney County, Kansas. He died there on his birthday October 28, 1991. If I can get any help Death Records or Obits I would be very thankful.

This looks like great grandfather in 1930. A bisabuela a grandparent?

The name in the census is scribbled over.

Name: Florenzo Briworks
Home in 1930: Taylor, Williamson, Texas

Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birthplace: Mexico
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Cerille Briworks
Race: Mexican (Latino)
Household Members: Name Age
Florenzo Briworks 30
Cerille Briworks 22
Antonio Briworks 7

Name: Florencio Bribiesca
Year: 1919
Place: Texas
Source Publication Code: 1829.10
Primary Immigrant: Bribiesca, Florencio
Annotation: Date and place of naturalization or date and port of arrival. Abstracts from the Clerk of the District Court’s Office in the Finney County Court House. Concerns also what was once Garfield County (now Finney County).
Source Bibliography: EMBREE, FRANCES WHEELER, compiler Naturalization Records, Finney County, Kansas, 1885-1979. Garden City, KS: Embree, 1986. 98p.

This listing as the first wife is from a family tree.

Maria Refugio Padilla

Birth 1896 in Penjamo, Guanajuato, Mexico

So I located the marriage record on-line for my great grandparents,born in the mid 1800s.The information about their parents names and where they came from,wasn`t there.So, I need to either travel to the town where the record is,or send them $15.00 by mail.Will I get a copy of the actual record?I need brakes on my car and with gas prices so high,I thought I would write for it,but then I worry,I will get the wrong record,or the information I need won`t be there.Mich has not released all the death records and a person has to be dead for 150 years before you can obtain a birth certificate.Anyone that has been dead that long,likely was not even born here.The reason I couldn`t find it before,my great grandmother`s last name was misspelled on-line,but not on the actual record.I have gotten more information from family search,than my worthless ancestry.com subscription.
You were all very helpfull.Hard to pick a best answer.

Having read your other question, I’m going to answer parts of both in one place.

I have pretty good experience with Michigan marriage records. First, you need to know that there are different types of "marriage records". This is a generic term for anything that documents a marriage, whether it be a marriage license or certificate issued to the couple, a return book, record book, marriage bond, or register book. Each of these will have different information about the couple. In Michigan each county determines what records they keep and what information will be on them. Some counties have made frequent changes. If you get information from the record about the parents is hit and miss. In Michigan they often have place of residence, but usually do not have place of birth or places associated with the parents.

Since you are looking for a copy, I suspect you have not located the record online, but rather an index or transcription of the record. This source should give you the precise information you need to find the copy they indexed or transcribed from. If it was from Family Search you might be able to take the source code information to a Family History Center and request the microfilm. If it’s from a published genealogy book you can sometimes request an inter-library loan from your local branch library, request a photocopy of the page of interest, or check Google Books.

A few tips about ordering records from public agencies: they will not do research and they will not guess, no matter how logical or obvious. They will look for exactly what you ask them to look for. If the date range you ask for is 1 day off, if a name is spelled 1 letter off, or if your information gives them more than 1 possible record you may get a note back saying the record could not be found. This is why the indexes online are helpful. They *should* be exactly as they appear in the record. In both cases this requires that someone is able to read the handwritten record (i.e. Elmira and Elvira can get confused). When you send away to the agency they will either photocopy the information from their books, or they will transfer the information to a form and this form is considered a copy (although not always certified).

GenWebs do not provide records, they provide a place where people can post information and links to helpful resources. What the GenWeb itself provides is free, but not all of the resources they list will be.

I am trying to locate my great grandfather’s parents. Unfortunately, this was not something that was talked about in my family considering he died when my dad was 12. I decided to post because there are only 3 remaining of the my Great Grandfather’s children (out of 13). My dad passed in 2005 and I have no answers about my family.

My great Grandfathers name is James Henry Braxton born in Colesville Montgomery Maryland in Dec 22 1895 (per his WW1 registration card), he was listed on the 1900 census (age 4)in Montgomery County Maryland residing with an Aunt & Uncle (Marth Nelson & David T Nelson) and Edward Braxton listed as a nephew (age 7, perhaps a brother)then in 1910 (age 14) with an Aunt Sarah E. Lee. He went in the Army Drafted in 1917 and served from 1918-1919. He had 13 children (I can only name 5 to include my dad) with Cecelia L. Ford born April 8, 1907 in Baltimore, Maryland which I have no proof of marriage either which I assume was done since she’s entered with him at Arlington Cemetary. The address listed on his registration card is 1336 Cedar Street NW DC which no longer exhists in the 1300 block but maybe due to DC changing it’s boarder since there is a 1336 Cedar Street just above DC now considered Silver Spring, MD and Colesville is now Silver Spring, MD.

He died on Jan 1, 1956 and she in 1981 both he and Cecelia are buried in Arlington Cemetary. I would like to find his parents which according to the census were both born in Maryland.I also located two parental consent forms for his two eldest daughters to marry at 16 and the address as 717 Pleasent Court NW Washington, DC. I call the National Archives in Maryland and Vital Statistics and no record before 1914 is on file for him nor will Vital Statistis release that information to me since im not an immediate family member. His SSN is listed on the SS Death Index but there are occasions when looking for this information it was listed as 1896 and 1899 as his birth year which isn’t accurate since I saw his writting on his military registration card.

This is the only information I have but I did request his military file from St. Louis which may take considerable time and what if his parents aren’t listed on that. Please help, if you have any information or tips or anything to help me figure this information out please respond to the thread or email me at deborahjames1983@yahoo.com, thanks in advance.

I don’t know if you’ve seen it but someone on Ancestry has this family as being your James Henry Braxton and family. Not really sure what evidence they have for it apart from thinking that the Henry is James Henry?

1910 United States Federal Census about Henry Braxton
Name: Henry Braxton
Age in 1910: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1896
Birthplace: Washington, DC
[Washington DC]
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Nicolas Braxton
Father’s Birth Place: Virginia
Mother’s name: Fanny Braxton
Mother’s Birth Place: Virginia
Home in 1910: Precinct 3, Washington, District of Columbia
Marital Status: Single
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicolas Braxton 39
Fanny Braxton 37
Henry Braxton 14

How do I find my Great Great Grandparents Parents? I have found all the below information on my Jones line but have had no luck finding James P Jones’s Parents. I have no Reference as to his parents names or birth dates. I know they where born in Wales and thats about it. What are the steps I should Be taking to find the next generation back. Using the online sites both pay and free I have not been able to find a marriage certificate or death certificate for James. The 1850 Census has a couple of possibility’s but nothing promising. I have talked to all the living relatives that I know and no one knows anything. I have also posted messages on a few genealogy sites hoping to find relatives of this line that may have information. Below is the information I have found on James and his Family. Any help would be appreciated and if you know this family I would realy love to hear from you!!

James P. Jones and his Family.
He was married to a Maria and i am fairly sure her last name was Griffith, Griffen, Griffeths or something close to that spelling. James and Maria are both from Wales.
They have children born in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. According to the 1900 Census James Jones came to the US in 1849 from Wales (he would have been 15 so probably came with his parents but not for sure on that). Here is what I have so far.

1860 US Census
Cleveland ward 6, Cuyahoga, Ohio

James Jones 26 Wales (Great Great Grandfather)
Maria Jones 24 Wales
William Jones 2 Ohio (Great Grandfather)
Sara Jones 7/12 Ohio

1870 US Census
Munising, Schoolcraft, Michigan

James 35 Wales Listed as a Moulder
Maria 33 Wales
William 12 Ohio
Sara 11 Ohio
Edward 9 Ohio
Henry Michigan
Margaret 8 Michigan
Ellen 5 Michigan
Rachel 3 Michigan
Hannah 2 Michigan

1880 US Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kansas

James P 42 Wales
Maria 40 Wales
William P 21 Ohio
Maggie 16 Ohio
Henry 13 Michigan
Nellie 12 Michigan
Hannah 10 Michigan
Lizzie 9 Pennsylvania
Martha 4 Pennsylvania

1885 Kansas State Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kans
as

James 56 Wales
Maria 54 Wales
Edward 21 Ohio
Nellie 18 Michigan
Hannah 15 Michigan
Elizabeth 12 Pennsylvania
Mattie 9 Pennsylvania
James 1 Birth place blank

1900 US Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kansas

James P. 70 Widowed Wales
William P. 39 Ohio
Geanal-Jeanas 15 (listed as James’s Grandson spelling is probably wrong very hard to read on census record)

Rooks County Kansas Marriages That could be our Jones Family

Edward Jones to Dora Hayworth Oct 29, 1896
Maggie Jones to W.W. Wiley Dec 14, 1884
Hannah Jones to D.T. Ashton Oct 29, 1886
Sara Jones to Hugh M Wilson Jan 30, 1887
Sara J Jones to Gurley W. Sargur Oct 23, 1879
Elizabeth Jones to J.A. Hampt Oct 7, 1896
Mattie Jones to T.A. Myers Mar 26, 1893

Notes: Our Sara was out of the house for the 1880 Census so The Sarah J is probably her and she was either widowed/divorced by 1887 or the other Sara is not the same person.

Rooks county Kansas Births that may be related to our Joneses

William Jones and Nellie Unknown = Baby Jones July 17, 1891
Edward Jones and Jennie Pickenpaugh = Baby Jones Jul 1, 1899
Edward Jones and Dora Hanosth = William Jones July, 13 1897
Maggie Jones and Whright Wiley = Baby Wiley Sep 24, 1890

I have a Sarah Griffiths in my genealogy, from Wales, late 1700s. I have never found anything about her parents, or her husbands parents (only 5 generations ago for me). There are Jones in my tree also, but from England or unknown origin.

I know they always say find the census, birth/marriage/death certificates, but these things don’t always exist today in the U.S. of A. Life was so cheap back then that often there were no records.

Your best chance of finding any info is throught the "User Submitted Trees". If that works, then you can always look to see if they show up in the Census or official records. Another option is to check newspaper archives. Still another is to check genealogical/historical societies and library archives (the Library of Congress, state/university libraries such as in Ohio, New York, Virginia, and Alabama).

I always take the easy route: if I cannot find one ancestor, I look for another.

what kind of information can you find on the social security death index?…I’m doing some family research and I was able to find my gg-grandfather’s ssdi, it has his birthday (dec. 25, 1860) and death-date (jun. 18, 1965) and where he died (Tulare, California), but nothing about the parents…other family member’s index’s have had something about parents on them, even if it’s the father’s surname or mother’s maiden…I also am having trouble finding a death certificate. Where would I look for that, and would his parent’s info for sure be on that?

I’ve been using Ancestry, Family Search Org, Roots web, and Family History Records data bases.
will it be my best bet to order the actual death certificate for his parent’s information?

The on-line SSDI has jus what you saw; name, birth date, death date, last residence and last benefeit, one of which may be th death place, and where the SSN was issued.

The SSN application, which costs $27, will have parents’ names, exact birth place, address and occupation at the time, and, for women, maiden name. Roots Web’s SSDI will format a letter to the SSA for you; click on "SS-5", print, add a check and wait 6 – 8 weeks.

The California Death Index, by Roots Web, has father’s surname and mother’s maiden name, sometimes. No SSDI I have seen has anything about parents. Some other death indicies do, most don’t.

trying to find info about my father side of the family and all I have to work with is his name.

There isn’t a central site. Birth records are usually kept hidden for privacy’s sake.

RootsWeb has death records for California, Kentucky, Texas & Maine, plus an SSDI:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/

The Brits have
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

If you can see kangaroos nibbling your roses, or say "Eh" at the end of every third sentence, you are out of luck.

Your birth certificate will tell you your father’s birth state and age at the time. His SSN application will tell you his parents’ names and his exact birth date. You can get it, but
1) It costs $27
2) He has to be dead
3) He had to have had a SSN.

If your mother and he were married and you live near the town they were living in when they married, go to the library and look through the social pages for that week. You may get lucky; if they had an article there, it will be chock full of good stuff; "The groom is the son of . . .", "Best man was his brother . . .", the bride is the daughter of . . ." and so forth. It will be free, too. If they were living in Fresno but ran away to Las Vegas to get married, there still may be a snippet in the Fresno Bee.

The county clerk may let you look at the marriage record for free, if you go into the office and prove you are related. That isn’t on-line, but I thought I’d mention it.

The only information I currently have is from she was born Dec 7 1882 in MO near or in St. Louis. Her parents names are Jack and Caroline, Jack could be a nickname and he could be a Sr. I know she had a son named Fredrick Haninger Jr. born Oct. 16, 1904 in Kansas and then married Samuel James Crowley before 1909 in KS. They then had my grandfather Samuel Robert Crowley born March 9,1909 in Wichita, KS. I have found her living with Samuel Robert Crowley in the 1910, 1915, 1920, and 1930 census records all in Wichita, KS. After Samuel James Crowley’s death in 1940 she married a man with the last name of Ward. Sarah Emmaline Davis went by Emma in the census records I have found and is also the name on her tombstone. She died in Wichita, KS on July 18, 1954. I am unsure of her maiden name, living relatives believe that Davis is her maiden name. Any information about her would be awesome help. Willing to answer any questions that I have answers too. Thank you all for your help.
Or if anyone has some websites that would be helpful. I had a subscription to ancestry.com and several other sites such as the familysearch.com.
I have not been able to find any state records, before 1909 in the state of kansas.

Just ran a search & found an Elma who lived near a John & Caroline–not an exact match but close enough to list just in case. Good luck!

1900 census: Kirkville, MO

901 E Jefferson St.
Davis, Johnothan A, head
born Mar 1831 in Indiana (parents TN)
Davis, Caroline, wife
born Oct 1844 in Maryland (parents England)
Davis, Emmet, son
born Mar 1879 in MO

913 E Jefferson St
Davis, Elma, roomer with Mary & S H Darnell
born July 1882 in MO (parents unknown)

and in between those two–
903 E Jefferson St
Davis, Jas W & Sa

The same John A & Caroline Davis appear in Bee Ridge, Knox Co., MO in 1880 (ages 49 & 36). Children in 1880 include:
John E, age 13
Nettie M, age 11
Anna L, age 10
James W, age 8
Perry E, age 1

Alright…I messed up when I bought my last death record from the Cook County genealogical office (Chicago) online. I bought the wrong person’s that had the same name as the person I wanted to buy. This time however, I’m sure I have the right person. Her name is Maria (Steele) Gorey. She died on January 25, 1920. I knew this because I found a telegram sent to my great grandfather telling him that she had died when I visited my grandma. Anyways, I found the record online. I’m going to buy it, but it costs $15. I’m 16 and I really don’t want to waste my money. I have to buy it online with my mom’s credit card and then pay her back. I just want to know what anyone thinks the odds are that I will get her parents’ names on this death certificate.

The earliest record I have bought from Cook County was 1932 and it had a line for parents’ names however, no one filled it out (I think in that case the person didn’t have family members around when she died). For my Maria Steele, I know for a fact that when she died she had 3 children living in Chicago, and that they probably would have known Maria Steele’s parents’ (My great grandfather’s grandparents’) names because they took trips up to Wisconsin and used to spend time with them.

So if anyone has ordered a death record from around this time in Chicago, I’d like to hear what you got. Also I’d like to hear what anyone else thinks will happen if I order this certificate. For a side note, my parents hate when I ask them about their families, and they totally don’t support me doing this at all and I don’t want to listen to my mom say I told you so. Hopefully I can get this information.
haha Jan…The family tree you just posted on your answer is mine…The Shaw family tree is my account on ancestry.com. That information is everything I have found without any help from other people’s family trees on ancestry.com (So far I can find no family tree to link up with).

To Wendy: According to the census of 1900 or 1920, her birth date is november of 1870 so that explains why she is not on a 1870 census. And since the 1890 censuses were burned that is why she is not on those. I just can’t seem to find her on the 1880 Census. Her sister Belle died in 1903. I have a telegram a "Eugene Steele" sent Maria Steele in 1903 telling her "Belle is DEAD". However, I don’t know whether Eugene is a brother, uncle, or father. It could be her father because Maria Steele’s son (my great grandpa) was named Francis Eugene Gorey. Hence his middle name was named after his grandfather.

My account name on ancestry.com is "lilshaw1212" and my family tree name is "Shaw Family tree".
Michael "Mike" Gorey died on May 2, 1902 when he fell into the Chicago river and drowned to death while working on the docks. Maria Steele raised the children all by herself. My grandma told me that her father (Francis Gorey) used to take trips with his mother Maria Steele and spend months up in Wisconsin with Maria’s family. I’m guessing it was so Maria could take some time off from raising her 3 surviving children all by herself. I’ve searched high and low both online and off for Maria Steele’s parents and I’m thinking this death record is my last chance.

Also, where did you find that information about the marriage. The only thing I could find on the marriage was that it took place in 1891 (from a Chicago census)
To Jan: no Belle Steele is not black. I have a picture of Maria Steele and she is most defintely white. From the censuses of 1900 and 1920, I know that Maria Steele’s (and Belle’s) parents were from Ireland, so I’m thinking there is a pretty slim chance they are black.

I have been trying to find your Marie Steel in the 1880 census, but no luck. I find her and husband Mike Gorey in 1900, where she gives her birth as Nov 1870 in Wisc. They were married 9 yrs.. her sister was Belle Steel, born Aug 1880 in Wisc, was living with them. This proves the parents lived until that time.. but darned if I can find them. Mike has died pre 1920, since the kids are listed with mom in that census, and she shows as a widow. This seems to be a case of they listed her, even though she died??
The thing I am wondering about, is what happened to sister Belle? If she married, and died, there will also be a death cert for her, and she would be the most likely informant for Marie’s death record. But.. no guarantee, never is.
I don’t have ancestry.com, so maybe someone will come in behind me, and pick up on something else. The problem is that there is no 1890 census which would show both girls with parents, and Belle is not going to show in 1880.
edit
just did more searching, and find…
MARIE STEELE Family
Marriage:
11 JUN 1891 , Cook, Illinois
(that is the filed marriage date for Marie and Michael Gorey, so the marriage was in Cook county).

GOREY, MICHAEL 1902-05-02CHICAGO 40 YRU 00006684COOK
it looks like this could be the death date for your Michael, the age seems to be right for a 1861 birth.

I want to order the death ceriticates of 7 of my 8 great-grandparents. I already know where one was born, so I don’t need that one. I pretty much know where all of them died. That’s not what I’m looking for. What I’m looking for is if that record says where they were born too, and if possible, who there parents were. It costs $15. I’ll probably order one and see what it says, and than do the rest, but it takes like 6-8 weeks in between. Based on personal experience though, has it said place of birth on it?

I agree with Wendy.
Order the death certificates.

Knowing whether or not your ancestors died from a disease/health condition that may affect your health is worth the price of the certificate.

I have the death certificates of my paternal grandparents, maternal grandmother, my dad, 2 older brothers and a sister, as well as my 2nd step-mother-from Hell, all from Florida.
All show their birth dates and places, dates, times and places of death, their occupation, place of residence, the name and address of the funeral home, date of burial, names and places of the cemetery(s) and parents names.

If a death certificate gives you just one new piece of information, it’s worth more than $15.00.

Even the smallest clue can become the biggest clue.