Death Records Now

Okay, I am from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. (or "Mormon" to those of you who have small intellectual skills) I am coming here today of Yahoo Answers to propose a question to the public. This question of coarse "What do people have against Mormons?" and I don’t want facts that you can’t back up, by saying " oh your Jesus isn’t our Jesus" there is only ONE Jesus Christ.Savior of the world.
Before you start ranting about how crappy the LDS church is, let me clear up a few things for you.
#1 We are not a cult. If you are naming us a cult and you have religion then your the cat calling the kettle black. All religious practices can be viewed as "cults" here is the link to prove it.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

#2 We are not Polygamist. In the LDS religion we are married to ONE person for all eternity. Polygamy was practiced back in the days of Brigham Young.(the 1800’s!) and not because he wanted more than one wife. OOOH NO! it wasn’t for that. Its because of a thing called Mormon Pioneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_pioneers) and the Mormon Batallion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Battalion) which were instances where LDS were kicked out of there homes and they were burned down because of their beliefs. They had to travel from New York to Utah by FOOT with handcarts, wagons, and oxen or horse pulling them.(bringing what little belongings they could salvage. On this treck many of the Men died , i mean, lets face it? who probably did most of the heavy duty work and MOST of the walking.not only that but wives lost husbands and parents lost children (babys even) it was difficult for many of them and it was sad but they did all this in the name of faith. Brigham Young probably married multiple women (as probably did other men) because the women had NO ONE to take care of them once they were their. also, polygamy was outlawed in the U.S. in 1882. Brigham Young died in 1877. (also, polygamy was widely accepted in the world before then) even the BIBLE has it? remember the bible talking about harlots and mistresses? oh ya… the Mormon church TOTALLY started polygamy. and we ENCOURAGE IT RIGHT?*sarcasm*. haha! do some research people.

#3 No we do not worship Joseph Smith or some guy called Mormo. Joseph smith is known for restoring what was said inside the Golden Plates. A document passed down from Nephi down to his last Decendent Mormon. The Golden Plates are not found today, because they are too sacred and lets face it. Who would be puzzled reading a dead language? or the matter of fact. people might steal the plates made from PURE gold and sell it. and lose the records forever. Its like someone taking the original documents of the bible burning them or defecating them. Yes, you wouldn’t like that either would you?.Mormon(who wrote the last book) like i said was the last decedent of of Lehi (who wrote the first book) fallowed by Nephi and so on. Mormon had to watch the death of his people and was an outcast in his own land.(http://www.suite101.com/content/who-was-mormon-a115600) He buried the golden then appeared to Joseph so that he could restor them to us. That we could have the truth. (unlike the bible that has been changed many,many,many,many,MANY times and different versions have been made.) The closest to the true bible is the original King James version that was translated from Latin. and no. Joseph Smith didn’t make it up. Joseph Smith had up to a 3rd grade education and wasn’t very smart. Neither was Oliver Cowdry! he was just the scribe. Could you translate a dead foreign language at the third grade level if you grew up on a farm and only knew how to read the bible and do farm work? NOT EVEN!! so yes. that answers that for you. Also there are STILL have SURVIVING copies of the FIRST EDITION of the Book of Mormon though. So you know this thing hasn’t been manipulated my the church (or anyone else) in any way.

#4 Yes we have temples in which we are sealed to our spouses for time and all eternity.(pretty cool huh?) and yes we wear magic underwear (undergarments is what we call them) oh? you think thats funny? haha! then why are you wearing a "t" around your neck? haha! thats right. your cross stands for something and so do our garments. They are just as sacred and stand for things and protect us.sound familiar?(you only get them when you marry though)

#5 We are not prejudice or hate anyone. (this is for you out there who think LDS are against "homosexuality") We are not. We don’t approve of it in our temples, because temples are only for
men and woman marriage (you know, the two people you need to make children) and our church is mainly focused of having eternal families. soooo…my point made.I know people who are LDS who are gay and attend church. We don’t kick gay people out or hate them. We view the temple as a sacred..)
I have a strong
The LDS religion is focused on Jesus Christ our savior of the world. We are a family based religion and believe that families will be together forever. It is my testimony that the LDS church is the truest thing to THE truth I have come across. Anything I have questioned it has been answered and I am left unquestioning the church and having nothing but love and faith and complete joy from it. I wish they world could know this feeling, this great love I have and feel in my soul. 🙂 It is truly amazing in every sense of the word. I love my religion, and i wouldn’t deny it ever.. I know its words are the truth and I know the book of mormon speaks the truth and is the completion to the bible. Those two books are the complete gospel of our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. And there is nothing in the world that could ever make me leave this love I feel. The sense of belonging I feel, and the sense of family I feel from attending church every Sunday….. :’) I love it with all my heart and so

I just wanted to thank you for posting this. Even though a lot of non members aren’t going to read this, you put it out there for them to read.

But, my only suggestion is not to pick on other religions in it. I grew up wearing that "t" around my neck, and that was a way I showed my faith. But, now that I’m becoming a part of the LDS religion, I’m thankful that there’s people out there who aren’t afraid to ask questions like this.

There’s a quote I like, and it says "people like to throw rocks at things that shine". Which is definitely true. People want to try to burn down LDS churches, people try to protest and write on temple grounds about how "terrible" the church is, and all the LDS do is sit back and thank GOD that we don’t despise people as much as they do us. If people want to spend their lives picking on a religion that they’re apparently so against, then go for it. I have better things to do than deal with the rumors they’re spreading.

Trust me, I’ve heard just about every ex-Mormon thing out there. And I come to find out that many are false accusations, or they’re someone’s statements. People just try to tear down what I think they deep down know is right.

Also, even Jesus told us that people would hate his followers. But He’s been through it all. Every type of temptation, or pain, or betrayal imaginable, he’s been through. Some people in the Bible even mentioned to rejoice when people persecute you.

So keep your faith, and make sure to pray and read the scriptures. Your testimony will always power over what exs or anti’s say.

Firstly, I want to say this is NOT going to be a, "we can burn the Koran if they burn the American flag, etc" post. I am interested in hearing opinions and getting a true discussion of the matter at hand.

Firstly, there is a issue (largely seen on Yahoo Answers) of people equating burning the Quran to burning the American flag. To put it simply, this is in my mind, ridiculous. The American Flag is a symbol of ideology. And while ideology is often misguided, in this case it works. One of our greatest freedoms (regardless of religious faith) is "Freedom of Speech".

You may not like the fact that people have a right, as stated in the Constitution / Bill of Rights, to burn the American Flag, and in fact, the Quran as well (we will address that later). yes, it does hurt many to see the symbol of freedom burning in some sort of protest. Whether you find that protest misguided or not, a flag is but a symbol of our rights and freedoms. You can burn 100 flags, but the American spirit will live on.

Here is a quote from the "Daily Record" in Gainesville, Florida, "This is a quote from the "Daily Record" in Florida, "The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off".

A lot of people say this is reprehensible. However everyone has to realize that just as a American Flag burner has a right to do so, so does this gentleman. You may not like it. You may hate it/him. But you can not deny him the right to do it. It is his right. What then, is the TRUE issue behind all the governments and the Vatican, etc denouncement of his RIGHT to do this?

General Petraeous denounces it due to the potential of harm towards American troops in Afghanistan / Middle East. I believe we will see a increase in violence towards Americans if this happens. My only issue with this is that violence is never-ending in any of these war/peace zones. This burning will not cause a fire, only add fuel to it.

Now, a lot of people online say burning the Quran is the same as a flag. This is simply not the case. The Flag is a symbol of ideology. The Quran is a religion. This is deeper then simply a symbol of government. Some people may argue the Quran is simple a book of hate towards non-Muslims. While I have not read the Quran, I find this hard to believe. And to put simply, the Bible (and mot likely all other religious texts) have semblance of violence throughout their texts.

There seems to be a underlying fear of violence to burning the Quran. and this is most likely true. As stated earlier, this will most likely lead to violence overseas. And as stated in many articles, the preacher in Florida (Terry Jones) has himself received numerous death threats. However, in both cases, it’s not the majority or entirety of a population causing violence. Extremists are everywhere for every cause. You can’t condemn a whole people or population because a select few take it upon themselves to represent everyone in matters of violence. To do so, would put you on a level equal to that of the very people you are condemning.

A lot of people are wondering, "then what is the solution to this problem"? I think the first step is to not view this as a "problem that needs solving". This is a opportunity to educate the world on different religions and test one’s faith on proclaimed rights. Read the Quran to REALLY understand what it’s about. Talk to people with the preacher’s view to find out WHY they feel the way they do. What’s most important is to do both with a FREE AND CLEAR MIND. To do otherwise would tarnish pretty much everything you say and/or hear. You can be angry at something once you understand it. But try not to hate, even if you think you have a right to. Hatred eats away at you and in the end, you end up suffering, not the ones you’re directing your feelings towards.

I think burning the Quran is an unchristian thing to do.

Finally, all of you, be of one mind, sympathetic, loving toward one another, compassionate, humble. Do not return evil for evil, or insult for insult; but, on the contrary, a blessing, because to this you were called, that you might inherit a blessing. (1 Peter 3:8-9)

I acknowledge that this "Christian" has the legal right to burn the Quran in protest of a few Muslim extremists. This right is protected by his Freedom of Speech.

But I think that doing so is a moral wrong. He will intentionally or unintentionally insult and send the wrong message to over 1.5 billionmainstream Muslims with whom he has no complaint. These Muslims are our neighbors whom Jesus Christ has commanded us to love.

We don’t burn the U.S. flag to protest the small groups of far right extremists or far left extremists because it would insult and send the wrong message to over 300 million mainstream Americans.

We don’t burn the Bible to protest a small group of Christian extremists because it would insult and send the wrong message to over 2 billion mainstream Christians all over the world.

We don’t burn the Torah to protest a small group of Jewish extremists because it would insult and send the wrong message to mainstream Jews all over the world.

We shouldn’t burn the Quran to protest a small group of Muslim extremists because it would insult and send the wrong message to over 1.5 billion mainstream Muslims all over the world.

Should you speak sharply to a friend, fear not, you can be reconciled. But a contemptuous insult, a confidence broken, or a treacherous attack will drive away any friend. (Sirach 22:22)

Jesus Christ taught us to build bridges between people, not burn them.

With love in Christ.

I recently asked a question on yahoo answers and had a bunch of new information passed to me. I am trying to find a little bit more now.

It all starts with

Mary G. Barton
Born: Oct 1892 in St Louis, Missouri
Died: Around 1921 (If anyone could find a death record that would be fantastic. Her married last name would be Becker in Massachusetts)

Her Parents were,

Thomas E Barton
Born Mar 1867 in New York

Margaret A Devine
Born: Jan 1867 in Canada Eng

I do not know much about the Bartons or the Devine’s. I am trying to find any information. I have a marriage notice of Mary and her husband and that is how i found the names. Any information otherwise would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Mary had siblings. Here is her family, 1900 – 1920.

1900: Plymouth, Plymouth, Mass; Roll T623_675; Page: 17B; Enumeration District: 1140.

Barton, Thomas, head, Mar 1867, NY, NY, NY, iron molder.
Barton, Margaret A, wife, Jan 1867, Canada Eng, Canada Eng, Canada Eng; immigrated 1880
Barton, John T, son, Mar 1890 10, Missouri, NY, Canada E
Barton, Mary G, dau, Oct 1892 8, Missouri, NY, Canada E
Barton, Alice J, dau, Sep 1893 6, Mass, NY, Canada E
Barton, Edward, son, Feb 1895, 5, Mass, NY, Canada E
Barton, William J, son, Feb 1897, 3, Mass, NY, Canada E
Barton, Harold M, son, Dec 1899, 6/12, Mass, NY, Canada E

(The two kids born in Missouri really do say "Missouri", not "mas—–". It looks like
Thomas and Margaret spent a spell out west.

Thomas and Margaret have been married for 11 years.

1910: Wakefield, Middlesex, Mass; Roll T624_606; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 1032; Image: 209.

Barte [Barton], Thomas E, head, 43, NY, NY, NY,
Barte [Barton], Margaret A, wife, 44, Canada English Canada English Canada English 1878
Barte [Barton], Mary, dau, 18, Missouri NY, Canada English
Barte [Barton], Alice J, dau, 16, Mass, NY, Canada English
Barte [Barton], Edward, son, 15, Mass, NY, Canada English
Barte [Barton], William J, son, 13, Mass, NY, Canada English
Barte [Barton], Harold M, son, 10, Mass, NY, Canada English
Barte [Barton], Helen, dau, 7, Mass, NY, Canada English

1920: Wakefield, Middlesex, Mass,; Roll T625_716; Page: 19A; Enumeration District: 481; Image: 562.

Barton, Margaret A, head, 94 [54], Widow, Canada, Canada, Canada, img 1875
Barton, Harold M, son, 26 [20], Mass, NY, Canada
Barton, Helen M, dau, 17, Mass, NY, Canada

George Bush President of the United States is a man who has flushed all honor and integrity down the toilet. He has spread shame on America, it’s Constitution, and it’s People. It is a highly embarrassing situation for every Good American. This Man has spun completely out of control and he needs to be stopped immediately. President Bush has discounted himself to nothing more then a mere "War Criminal." Here is a list of just a "few" of the crimes President Bush has committed….

I encourage everyone to copy this answer to file. Reuse it as often as you may… on Yahoo Answers or wherever else you can! Thank you.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. – – ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of hundereds of thousands of Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnaping, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions on governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

I wish everyone the best in 2007 and May God Bless America!

Is George Bush a “scumbag” as you call him? No. “Scumbag” is too polite a term. There are not enough caustic epithets and invectives in the English language to truly articulate this man’s moral depravity, dishonesty, and intellectual incompetence. Is he war criminal? Absolutely, and what makes him worse than most of his other warmongering colleagues around the world, is that he is able to enshrine his thuggish behavior with an air of respectability, due to skillful propagandists that he has at his disposal. I was recently watching a documentary film on Noam Chomsky, one of the great progressive intellectual minds who has championed movements that seek to illustrate the evils of western imperialism, and he brought up an interesting point. He stated that the only people who are called war criminals are those who are on the losing end of a war. For example, during the Nuremberg trials many SS officers were tried and executed for their wanton slaughter of civilians, but no general of the Allied powers was similarly brought to trial for purposely targeting civilian targets that killed many untold thousands if not millions.

Saddam Hussein may have killed thousands of people, but he is no more genocidal than a man like Bush, whose constant quest for global hegemony has lead to just as many thousands dieing in Iraq due to destroyed infrastructure, and the funding of tyrannical puppet governments in other parts of the world.

Since when does victory in a militaristic endeavor allow one to arrogate to themselves the moral high ground? It happened when people turned off their minds and started listen to the propaganda that is masquerading around as patriotism.

Good job with this litany of crimes. I will save it for later use.

with the help of ‘yahoo answers’ still have not found where relative is buried in Effort Pennsylvania… so I was wondering if this is because he may have been cremated and therefore a different search field is required….if I contact the County do you pay for death records

Whether death records are available at all in a particular county and whether you have to pay for them will vary from county to county.

Effort is in Monroe County. Pennsylvania death certificates (since 1906) are available for a fee from the state. They use a 3rd party vendor (Vitalchek) to process the requests and payments. – http://vitalchek.com/agency_locator.aspx?EventType=Death.

There’s no guarantee that the death certificate will list a place of burial.
You might also try www.findagrave.com.