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I question to an Atheist, from a follower of Christ?

I have a question for an Atheist.

I was wondering (Not trying to offend anyone) but I was thinking, and I would just like someone who was atheist to explain to me what their take is on these things are:

1. In Revelations the bible speaks about a mark that will be given to all either on their right hand or forehead.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)
How would Prophets 2,000 years ago who were before the time of computers, cars, electronics know that there would be a chip used to buy and sell???
Now my first question is, doesn’t is strike you odd that every thing that the Bible said would happen in the end times is happening.
Earthquakes would be in diverse places (Matthew 24:7); Haiti, Chile, illinois, Japan …..
Deadly diseases would be prevalent (Matthew 24:7). The worldwide increase in AIDS deaths is almost inestimable. Over 160,000 Americans die of cancer each year
etc….
And now with the new health care plan stuff starting up, there is much to be said about the (V-Chip) and how it may be needed to help put all of our medical records in electronic files.
The V-Chip is inserted in your right hand. (Mark of the beast).
Revelation 16:2 tells us that a noisome, grievous sore befalls those who take the mark of the beast.
Revelation 16: 10, 11 tells us that they gnaw their tongues in pain from the sores
After the chip is inserted they keep saying that "Oh and you may get a few sores but its just a reaction to the chip,"
Now come on!
1. My second question is something i was thinking about while i was watching The Prince of Egypt.
My question is how does an Atheist explain how the Jewish people left Egypt without the wonders of God (parting the Sea etc)?
They didn’t make themselves a whole bunch of boats, and they didn’t shake hands with the Egyptians and say, "Hey, seriously you guys we are tired, we can’t work here anymore we’re leaving." Egypt was one of the most powerful nations.
And there are sooo many more things that the Bible pin pointed that are happening how do you explain all of those.
Anyways those are my questions, and please no rude comments that are unnecessary.

Atheists probably do not like you talking about these kinds of things,but one day they will be sorry that they did not care.

  1. Joe Random
    April 1st, 2010 at 16:31 | #1

    So basically by twisting the words of the bible around you expect us to believe it prophesized a chip?

    That’s silly.
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  2. following Jesus word
    April 1st, 2010 at 17:18 | #2

    Atheists probably do not like you talking about these kinds of things,but one day they will be sorry that they did not care.
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  3. ? liz ?
    April 1st, 2010 at 17:39 | #3

    It would take six maybe seven very big strong men to ever put a chip into my hand.
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  4. spanish muslim
    April 1st, 2010 at 17:50 | #4

    no one is gonna read all of that.

    the bible is corrupted, enough said. ive read it myself. i used to be a christian.. used to go to a christain school
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    i left christianity for islam

  5. Joaquin?
    April 1st, 2010 at 18:22 | #5

    I have no explanation for anything written in the bible.
    It’s mostly nonsense with a few common ethical standards thrown in here and there.
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  6. King Leonidas
    April 1st, 2010 at 18:41 | #6

    "How does an atheist explain everything in the bible"

    The bible is a fiction story, hunny, it didn’t happen.

    Now go cry in a corner.
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  7. brittiny c
    April 1st, 2010 at 19:28 | #7

    uhhh….in the Bible it doesn’t say chip it says Mark
    and you wrote alot and i didn’t feel like reading all that…really ii just skimmed threw and say that part
    damn i need to go to sleep cant even type right
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  8. Jyubei
    April 1st, 2010 at 20:07 | #8

    1- It says nothing about a chip. Sickness will always be here. Watch this. In 1000 years there will be people who die from a illness. Bam… I am a messenger of God. Earthquakes, try reading a science book.

    2- There is no evidence of this great voyage of people. It is only in the bible.
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  9. Pirate AM™
    April 1st, 2010 at 20:55 | #9

    Well, there is absolutely no evidence of the Jewish people being enslaved in Egypt. Granted a few Semite people were enslaved there at various times, but there is no indication that the all the Jews were enslaved there and developed as a culture. Further, there is a great deal of evidence that the Jewish culture and people developed in the Canaanite highlands and relatively peacefully spread out from there.

    In essence, this means that the whole exodus story, from Joseph to Joshua, is a complete myth or at the best a way overblown story of a few people leaving Egypt. You may not "believe" this, but the facts are very clear that the Bible is completely wrong about this and many other things.

    Edit:
    It should also be noted that a hermit who had a grudge (understandably) against the Roman Empire, wrote Revelations as a warning or curse upon them. It was not written as a prophecy of the "end times" and he, John, would be very surprised that people now take it to be so.
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  10. Thomas F
    April 1st, 2010 at 21:25 | #10

    You conclusions are very loose in that they pertain to this time. The have been many times in histiry where there have been earthquakes and plagues and diesease that could claim to be fulfilled by these supposed prophecies.

    Scientist have actually proven there is a section in the red sea that during the dry season at low tides opens up a walk way from egypt to saudi arabia and thes closes up in high tide. During this occurance it creates an optical illusion os the seas rising on both sides.
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  11. Marc P, Fundie’s Bane
    April 1st, 2010 at 22:06 | #11

    The explanation by biblical scholarship (as opposed to fundie pastors) is that the "mark" refers to the brand or tattoo that many religions inflicted on their followers during Roman times, generally as a symbol that the person had been initiated into a mystery cult such as Mithras and Isis, Christianity’s main rivals
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  12. Slightly Amused 8th Account
    April 1st, 2010 at 22:53 | #12

    Uh….a "chip" cannot be taken seriously as it was not named so when Revelations was hallucinated.

    Every generation has its share of disasters and disease. Remember the Black Plague? It happened back during the Middle Ages.

    So, your attempts to verify the accuracy of the Bible in prophecy is lame at best.
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  13. Dave
    April 1st, 2010 at 23:24 | #13

    http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/05/10-things-science-fiction-got-right/

    Here’s a list of things science fiction writers got right. Amazing huh?! Their books must have been the work of gods.
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  14. frannie
    April 1st, 2010 at 23:42 | #14

    Well Im not Atheist, Im Catholic, but I thought Id share that Revelations was a code and the book was Nero.
    It was written in a way that could share about the hardships early Christians went threw when they would be killed for simply stating Nero was evil and killed Christians.
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  15. Torg T. Robot
    April 1st, 2010 at 23:53 | #15

    Did you know there is no evidence of the Hebrews ever being held as slaves in Egypt? It’s true!

    Torg
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  16. Kittens
    April 2nd, 2010 at 00:14 | #16

    There is no mention of a chip, just a mark.
    And V-chip? you mean this?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_chip
    Earthquakes are nothing new, you just have global news coverage, and so know about them now.
    Deadly diseases have always been around, but they’re less of a problem than they used to be thanks to modern medicine.
    The bible is vague enough that you can interpret it to mean what you want it to mean.
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  17. aaronmsl
    April 2nd, 2010 at 00:53 | #17

    1. Which part of your quote mentions "chips"? You just assume that that is what it means, when it could in fact mean anything. It says "mark", not "chip".

    2. Christians have been claiming it’s End Times for 2000 years – in the years after Christ, his followers believed he was returning before they died. Some of Paul’s letters in Corinthians are him attempting to calm down followers who were starting to panic because they kept dying and Jesus hadn’t returned.

    3. None of those prophecies is precise or new – earthquakes happen all the time, always have, always will. Disease are a fact of life everywhere, always were, always will be. Your ridiculous American phobia about government funded health is frankly sickening. Look around you – the UK has had public health systems for 60 years.

    4. There’s little evidence to suggest the Jews were actually in Egypt at all. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the bible isn’t very reliable as a history source in a lot of places.
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  18. vorenhutz
    April 2nd, 2010 at 00:59 | #18

    leaping to conclusions doesn’t quite describe it… it’s more like you’re employing a space shuttle to reach your conclusions.
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  19. Cyrus C
    April 2nd, 2010 at 01:34 | #19

    i can interpret those same passages.
    "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

    this explains birthmarks

    see the bible is open to anyones interpretation
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  20. Rico JPA
    April 2nd, 2010 at 02:00 | #20

    The Romans had a chip, literally a little chip of pottery, which was the free but poor citizen’s grain dole allotment. You had to present this chip if you wanted your state sponsored grain and wine.

    When social security numbers first became mandatory, lots of people were running around yelling "Mark o’ the beast, mark o’ the beast." You need one to work, therefore to earn money, therefore to buy food. You certainly need one to sell food. It’s on your forehead since most Americans have their memorized. It’s on your hand every time you fill out a form. Yet that turned out not to be the "real" mark of the beast. Long before the 1930s, there were plenty of other candidates, in Napoleon’s France, in Victoria’s England, certainly in the Soviet Union, that should have been the mark of the beast. Yet they weren’t. Since there have been many, many false alarms, what makes you think his computer chip isn’t just another cry of "wolf"?
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  21. Gravity Bear
    April 2nd, 2010 at 02:44 | #21

    You seem to be getting all your information from the bible, and assuming them to be fact and not bothering to do any further investigation to verify these events match up with historical records.

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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  22. Dude
    April 2nd, 2010 at 03:22 | #22

    People have claimed the end times are coming roughly every 20 years for the past 1,700 years. Literally. So who cares? And there are 8,000 earthquakes PER DAY on earth. So what?
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  23. Gus
    April 2nd, 2010 at 03:29 | #23

    1) The V-chip is in TVs, not people.

    2) Nothing in the health care reform bill says anything about putting chips into people

    3) "Prince Of Egypt" is cartoon, not a documentary
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  24. It’s The Schnizzle!
    April 2nd, 2010 at 04:07 | #24

    You just chose to interpret it that way, I bet your horoscope is also 100% true every day
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  25. Elizabeth
    April 2nd, 2010 at 04:13 | #25

    I’ve heard the thing about the V-Chip, but I don’t think it’s the mark of the beast (I’m a Christian, by the way). You won’t have much luck with many of the atheists here in R&S since they just don’t see the Bible as anything more than classic literature, well I’d venture to say that all atheists feel that way about the Bible, some of the ones in here are just hateful about it. But if the chip is the mark of the beast, it would mean that all infants born after the V-Chip program is started would have the mark of the beast, and that doesn’t make sense to me.
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  26. Ancient A
    April 2nd, 2010 at 04:55 | #26

    A better one to convice atheists is the prophecy about Alexander the Great.

    Chip ? Think again !!! It’s probably a Digital Scanable Tattoo
    http://somarkinnovations.com/
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  27. Paul Allen
    April 2nd, 2010 at 05:25 | #27

    The bible says absolutely NOTHING about a chip. It says a MARK.

    Egypt shares land that borders with Israel….the Israelites didn’t need to cross the Red Sea in order to get to the land of Israel.

    Your logic is horrible. Also, you have an appeal to authority….just because the bible says something doesn’t mean it happened.
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  28. BB
    April 2nd, 2010 at 05:43 | #28

    because your assuming the stories are true, factual based, but the Egyptians have no record of these events, and even if it was true, scientists have explained the phenomenon with possible, science based theories. I’m actually christian, but when you look at the history the Bible isn’t really totally accurate. They leave stuff out, and even what is accurate, a lot of the meaning has been lost in translation and re interpretation.

    Atheist would just say it’s because the Bible is just a fictional story. It may have people that actually existed in it, and wars and stuff that actually happened, but it’s fictional none the less. And any parts that seem to be "forecasting the future" are just coincidences, that where bound to happen sooner or later. They are to vague, and people are finding meaning where none actually exists.

    Many historians actually think much of the bible, such as revelation, was actually talking about the roman regime that was controlling the area at the time. There is a lot of symbolism in these stories, which allows Christians to now make their own interpretations to their modern times, even though it was not intended to do so.
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  29. samfisherjr
    April 2nd, 2010 at 06:15 | #29

    Interesting, I am not exactly sure about your second question though. They could have left by other means and the parting of the sea etc was merely added in the story to make it more interesting, or it is a metaphor for something. For example, many people have questioned the use of the wooden horse in Homer’s Iliad. Some people have said that the use of a wooden horse is a metaphor for something like a horse shaped battering ram.

    Your references to the revelations are an interesting discovery, although many religions say similar things. Going as far back as the Ancient Mayans who lived in Central America, they believed that this age of men would end on December 21, 2012, with earthquakes and fires. Fires could relate to global warming or Australian Bush fires, while earthquakes could relate to the ones in Haiti and Chile etc.

    You could have something going here. 🙂
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    Thourough previous research.

  30. anotherone773
    April 2nd, 2010 at 06:43 | #30

    "Now my first question is, doesn’t is strike you odd that every thing that the Bible said would happen in the end times is happening."

    – Im sure you wont understand this but the bible is a book that uses clever wordplay. The authors were brilliant to be honest. They wrote the bible so it can be left open to interpretation. Any verse can be implied to mean a variety of different things, especially when taken out of context, as it often is the case when used in an argument. Oddly enough, the same technique is used with horoscopes and fortune tellers.

    "1. My second question is something i was thinking about while i was watching The Prince of Egypt.
    My question is how does an Atheist explain how the Jewish people left Egypt without the wonders of God (parting the Sea etc)?"

    – a boat a raft? go around it?

    You are assuming the "historical references" in the bible are completely accurate. Having part of a story or statement that is accurate doesn’t make the entire thing accurate.

    The bible at best has a lot of half-truths to try to give itself creditability, which in ancient times was probably enough for nearly all of the population. A half-truth is: "A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame or misrepresent the truth"
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  31. Cody R
    April 2nd, 2010 at 07:07 | #31

    I thought they were very good questions. I am very impressed to see something interesting written in the Bibles defense.

    The only way we can know if the Chip is the "mark" is if it in someway comes out to 666. There would be no way I would get it if anything about it can be made out to 666. If it doesn’t then it isn’t the chip. Also of note is there are multiple chips people are coming out with. Credit card chips have already been made and some families have them. Also for this to be true the whole gnawing of the tongue from so much unbearable pain would have to be true. Time will tell if it is truly that painful.

    As far as the Exodus story. Unfortunately a lot of people here are right. There is no evidence or reason to believe it was true.

    Good questions though!
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  32. E W
    April 2nd, 2010 at 07:12 | #32

    The symbol in barcodes for the number 6 is two slim lines. In every EAN barcode you can see these lines at the beginning middle and end as slightly longer lines. They apparently help the machines to read the number without error. It is very likely that the same format will he used in any RFID chip to ensure standardisation.
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  33. darkflower366
    April 2nd, 2010 at 07:37 | #33

    I’m agnostic not an atheist but I can answer some of these questions.

    1. They don’t mention a chip in the quote you referenced, they said a mark. It seems to me that a natural progression from the money system probably already in place at the time would be some kind of mark or talisman that would allow you to spend, borrow, and owe on knowledge instead of actual currency just as currency replaced barter.

    2.Deadly diseases have always been a fact of life, back then they were influenza and small pox and the plaque and now they are AIDS and cancer, it doesn’t seem that different to me.

    3. I would think that that could be explained in a similar version of the runaway railroad of the USA in the past. That it was most likely a more gradual occurrence of people helping slaves to escape. I’m sure, just as it always has been, that not all people in Egypt agreed with how the rulers were running things and thought it was wrong and helped Jews to escape.
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