Healthcare: There are different bills. Have you read them?
The senate has a bill: 615 pages:
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf
The House of Representatives has a bill: 1017 pages
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
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From reading these two separate bills, it sounds like the Senate wants to take the system we have and augment it to get people more involved in their own health care by increasing access to clinical preventative services. It also talks about school-based clinics.* It also talks about dental health. It also proposes community based health activites.** This bill actually doesn’t sound too bad. There are still questions as to where the financing will come from and there are fine points to work on.
The House of Reps. bill, on the other hand sounds like it wants to revamp the entire system (throw the baby out with the bath water, if you will) by putting the cost of services ahead of the value of the people it is treating. This appears in several parts of their proposed bill. (see *** below) Frankly, this bill speaks of limiting our current medical options as we know them. I believe this is the bill that is causing the most controversy. For example, I think the "death panel" rumor comes from this bill page 430 lines 4-17*** where it talks about [paraphrase] if a person is apneic, pulse-less or has cardiac problems that the level of care may be full range or limited depending… There are numerous red flags with this bill.
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In any case, I urge everyone to read the bills and to contact their representatives and senators via phone, email, meetings (some are offering private meetings on their websites), etc. to let them know your thoughts and ideas. If we don’t get involved, then we will have to settle for what we get, even if we don’t like it.
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sources:
Congressman Connolly (D- Va) for the House of Rep. bill as posted on his website.
experience:
*When I was in elementary school in Minnesota in the 60’s each school had a dedicated nurse on staff who worked at that school exclusively. She recorded annual height, weight, vision and hearing in addition to dealing with daily medical needs as they arose. It would be nice if this type of care returned to our schools and not just an itinerant nurse who had to go from school to school as I observed while teaching first grade in the Washington, D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia.
**I grew up in Minnesota in the suburbs of Minneapolis. We had abundant access to public parks and pools. There was a park, on average of every 6 miles and they often included public tennis courts, trails, basketball courts and, in winter, hockey & free public skating rinks. When I moved to the Washington, D.C. metro area in Northern Virginia from 1990 to present, I noticed there were fewer parks, nearly no public pools (95% were private HOA run pools) and less sidewalk access for citizens to pursue daily exercise. The contrast in availability and free access to parks, pools, sidewalks, tennis courts, etc. was a shock for me. To obtain this level of fitness here one was encouraged to join a club. Many families cannot afford a club. I think that promoting community based health activities could be a good thing.
***Here is a line-by-line list of issues that others have found with the House of Representatives bill:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html
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Bottom line: "We the People" will reap what we sow. If we get involved in the decision making process, then we will have a plan that is more user friendly. If we do not get involved, then we have to take what comes, even if we don’t agree with it.
I really believe the core of the problem is the lack of education.
NOT the lack of knowledge about this particular issue; I’m referring to a widespread absence of understanding of our Democratic REPUBLIC.
If you asked most people on the street, they would tell you that we live in a Democracy, not in a Representative government. The majority of people don’t have a clue how to be locally active in a constructive way.
SECONDLY, Federal Government has been micro-managing and
bribing state governments for far too long. By DEFINITION the job of
GOVERNING indicates that the action be taken by an objective, disinterested, third party. When government becomes one of the ‘companies’ involved in providing goods or services to any communtiy, that government interferes with free markets.
The only ‘business’ that the Federal Government should be authorized to run is National Security (from both foreign and domestic). Domestic
enemies COULD be interpreted to include communicable diseases.
Federal Governing includes regulating transportation between states and relations with foreign countries.
Beyond that – STAY OUT of our lives!!!
If the State can’t pay for something – the citizens need to vote in more effective leadership or find businesses that are a good ‘fit’ for that State.
Anytime the people take money from the government, we become slaves and debtors. In the last 50 years we’ve gone from a country of
inventive, creative, self-sufficient producers, to a people who are dulled,
helpless, consumers. Laws attempt to enforce not only behaviors, but values, morals and beliefs. The outcome has been catastrophic. We have become a Nation divided into those who give and those who take.
‘We the People" have fallen asleep, with a false sense of security.
Our current population mainly has no idea the true cost of Freedom.
We forfeited our Freedom when we gave the Responsibility of Educating our children to Government. From pre-K to Harvard, our population is taught exactly what the current leaders believe they need to know. If that doesn’t sound like dangerous indoctrination, I don’t know what does.
I agree that we need to read these Bills, however I can’t afford to hire a lawyer to decipher HR3200. I’ve tried to read it. Ridiculous.
The bigger question is – WHY DO WE ALL ASSUME THAT INSURANCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER???? Cramped Thinking.
Sorry, no. & I dont intend to. Bills that large have too much fine print that bureaucrats will use to bite us in the rear at a later date.
People b!tch about credit card language. The IRS code is a mess. And now, they want to foist more complex, vague jargon on us.
People still debate the couple of pages of the Constitution. What do people think will happen if they pass a 1000 page HC bill?
Ready the courts.
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I have. I have BOTH of them on my computer’s desktop. And what I have found upsets me greatly. I could post it all but will only do so if you ask. It is very, VERY long.
And by the way… people are TRYING To get involved. But when their own President is saying they are just angry mobs who are plants put there by people out to get him and that no one who ISN’T a plant really opposes it, how can anyone’s concerns be taken seriously?
EDIT: Future advocates not reading the proposals at all, apparently. He says we are all too stupid to understand it. It really isn’t that hard to understand if you actually READ it.
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Every meeting and discussion they have over this Bill in Congress ads pages to it, mostly from Republican requests.
This is nothing more than copies people got their hands on at different times in the process.
I’m n ot sure what your getting at, but no this isn’t evidence of some secret agenda.
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I really believe the core of the problem is the lack of education.
NOT the lack of knowledge about this particular issue; I’m referring to a widespread absence of understanding of our Democratic REPUBLIC.
If you asked most people on the street, they would tell you that we live in a Democracy, not in a Representative government. The majority of people don’t have a clue how to be locally active in a constructive way.
SECONDLY, Federal Government has been micro-managing and
bribing state governments for far too long. By DEFINITION the job of
GOVERNING indicates that the action be taken by an objective, disinterested, third party. When government becomes one of the ‘companies’ involved in providing goods or services to any communtiy, that government interferes with free markets.
The only ‘business’ that the Federal Government should be authorized to run is National Security (from both foreign and domestic). Domestic
enemies COULD be interpreted to include communicable diseases.
Federal Governing includes regulating transportation between states and relations with foreign countries.
Beyond that – STAY OUT of our lives!!!
If the State can’t pay for something – the citizens need to vote in more effective leadership or find businesses that are a good ‘fit’ for that State.
Anytime the people take money from the government, we become slaves and debtors. In the last 50 years we’ve gone from a country of
inventive, creative, self-sufficient producers, to a people who are dulled,
helpless, consumers. Laws attempt to enforce not only behaviors, but values, morals and beliefs. The outcome has been catastrophic. We have become a Nation divided into those who give and those who take.
‘We the People" have fallen asleep, with a false sense of security.
Our current population mainly has no idea the true cost of Freedom.
We forfeited our Freedom when we gave the Responsibility of Educating our children to Government. From pre-K to Harvard, our population is taught exactly what the current leaders believe they need to know. If that doesn’t sound like dangerous indoctrination, I don’t know what does.
I agree that we need to read these Bills, however I can’t afford to hire a lawyer to decipher HR3200. I’ve tried to read it. Ridiculous.
The bigger question is – WHY DO WE ALL ASSUME THAT INSURANCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER???? Cramped Thinking.
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I attended five different schools in the U.S. I lived in Germany for three years and befriended their High School citizens. I sent my children to
private schools, public schools and I homeschooled them for some years. We’ve lived in two countries, 10 states and over 40 homes.
Different cultures and communities demonstrated different outcomes.
Some of the worst were in Michigan, with heafty welfare programs, and the most successful individuals were those who were taught to provide for themselves from birth. Those who helped themselves became stronger and later in life were able to contribute more to their communities.
I read the last 40 pages of the H.R. bill.
This bill will kill me if I don’t die before its passed.
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