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Lovely Bones, is it based on a true story?

August 1st, 2011 5 comments

I heard that the character Susie Salmon was based on a real person that was murdered with a different name. I was wondering if that was true, because I can’t find any records of a death in Pennsylvania. If it is true, can you help me find the name of the person?

By the way, if you think I am weird for wanting to know, I am not. I have always been interested in things that happened in the past and are forgotten by almost everyone.
I’ve seen some people answering this question by saying: Actually, yes, this novel is based on a true story of a young girl that was murdered in Norristown.PA. A outlining suburb of Philadelphia. The "corn field" as it’s refered to in the book/movie is actually called the farmpark know here to us that live by it.Kids attending Norristown High use the farm park as a short cut today just as they did 35 years ago. Susie Salmon is not her real name, or are any characters used in the book.

no it isn’t based on a true story, that is wrong.

the author Alice Sebold was raped when young and due to her experiences of discovering the rapist having him jailed and going through the life experiences of a rape victim. The grief process. she studied writing and finally wrote "The lovely Bones" to help her encompass her feelings and rape victims feeling lost and being forgotton by all but the families.

She has a website and has only written 3 books I believe. so that is the answer to the best of my knowledge on this young woman

Question about Pardons in Pennsylvania?

June 3rd, 2011 1 comment

I want to begin the process of obtaining a pardon for crimes I was convicted of from an accident back in 2002. Basically I went to 2 different pardon attorneys and recieved very different information. I assume this is because until I pay a retainer they are not going to spend anytime looking at my case. I want some other oppinions.

I was charged with Homicide by vehicle and reckless endangerment for an accident in which I was unable to stop for a red traffic signal and collided with another vehicle in which the other motorist was killed. Back then i was young and nieve in thinking that my attorney would actually help me. Instead he forced me to plead guilty to these crimes. At face value, everyone comes to conclusions thinking I must have done something wrong otherwise I wouldn’t have been charged this way. I say BS, there was no extenuating circumstance that I commited with gross negligence. Now I believe, at most and by talking to other officers, and reading about law that I should have been charged with Carless Driving with Accidental Death. I did nothing to warrant criminal action in that accident.

So talking with one attorney who barely had any facts and contacted the pardon board, said they would not grant a pardon for something like this. She said people need to know about it. She also said the only way I would have a chance is if I could prove I was wronfully charged. The other attorney with little information said I should wait until 15 years pass and then file for a pardon based on the fact that I have trouble obtaining jobs. He said accusing them of excessive charges would not go in my favor and that it is water under the bridge.

These people are contradicting eachother and I am confused. I feel like I have to say I was somehow wrongfully charged, however I am afraid I will get denied like the second attorney said.

Please, someoene who knows something about law give me some advice. I am desperate to have this criminal record removed. I am not a criminal and don’t believe I should be looked at as a criminal.

Thanks for any help.

The second attorney is pretty much right on. The fact that you plead guilty and the facts are not in dispute will make things considerably more difficult.

Your allegation that you were "forced" to plead guilty by your attorney does not hold water. Don’t go there.

The reason people conclude that you "must" have done something wrong to get the charges you did is because that’s how it works. The state "must" prove that you’ve done what the law describes for that charge in order to be convicted. The judge would not allow you to plead guilty to a charge either if it didn’t appear that you actually did what the charges say you did. You can’t plead guilty to bank robbery if there’s no evidence that a bank was actually robbed, and you can’t plead guilty to vehicular homicide if you were simply in a bad accident.

Could you sue a business if..?

May 31st, 2011 3 comments

Ohkay so my Family got a storage unit in Pennsylvania because that is where we lived, but my pap was on his death bed in Florida so we moved down there for three years. We paid every payment when we were down there. We moved back to P.A and when to get things out of there but we found out that they tore off a end unit beside ours and failed to patch up our side. The top was completely exposed and the cocking on the bottom was NOT done right. All our things were ruined. All our family videos, picture, sentimental things from family members that are dead, and things that were passed on through family. We have a video of what the unit looked like and all the openings. Well, we stoped paying because we were not going to pay for ruin things. They wanted us to sign that they worn’t responsible for any damage and then we could take it all, we are not stupid so we did not sign. Well, they sold EVERYTHING with out telling us. What would you do and what type of lawyer would you get? No where in the contract did they say that they were going to be negligent, so the contract is out the window I’d believe. It was there job to protect our stuff. Everything was moldy and there were spiders and snake skins and mouse droppings. We paid OVER 13,000$ for that place to take care of our stuff. We tried getting ahold of them before we stoped paying but you have no idea how hard it is to get ahold of someone high up. There has to be SOME type of legal actions to take. We have a video that shows how it was. My Dad recorded it. And the the papers we signed before hand stated they can’t sell anything without telling us, and they didn’t.

Yes, you can sue, and you will most likely win. Go to a competent lawyer, have a restraining order put against them for doing business until they can prove your stuff is no longer on their property. Sue the parent company, the company with whom you did business, and all management individually for breech of contract. They will most likely settle within days. Best of luck.

Where can I find free downloadable death records for pennsylvania 1923?

May 15th, 2011 2 comments

I’m trying to locate my great aunt -Margaret Dougherty – whom I knew nothing about until yesterday when I found a letter from a Mrs. Weston informing my great grandmother that she had died (1923) and was to be buried in the local church, the funeral was to be paid for out of the $300 she had in her bank account. With it I found a letter from margaret dated a year previous, begging her family to take her home so she could die in Ireland. I cannot seem to be able to access any online databases…i know she had been in a hospital

Where should I start?

You don’t say if Dougherty is your aunts birth name or married name.
I have done a search on ancestry.com and the only record I could find was a 1920 census listing a Margaret Dougherty aged 66,born in Ireland and living as a lodger at no.6 Bells Court,possibly flat or room 55. She was single and unemployed and unable to read or write.This was in enumeration district 122.Area5,Philadelphia,Pennsylvania. If this was her and she died in 1923 she would have been about 69/70 (1854–1923)
This seems to have been quite a large boarding house and there were quite a number of other Irish boarders there. If it was her,she may have got someone else to write a letter for her.
Cannot find a death record for her. Hope this helps.
edit: Just found some passenger lists but need a probable birth year to try to match up margaret as there are a number of people with the same name.

How could somebody get from Scotland to America without leaving records?

April 22nd, 2011 3 comments

I have been researching ancestry and one man managed to immigrate to America in the early 1800s without leaving any records. No immigration records exist with his name. Also, he married a woman with an unknown last name in America in 1824 when he was 20 years old. I know that because their first child was born shortly after their marriage in Pennsylvania. I am lead to believe that he must have been a criminal or was forced to leave Scotland (my father told me that his father said that we came over here because somebody didn’t pay their taxes). He left a small town called Leadhills Scotland, and none of his family followed him. Was this guy a criminal, or was record-keeping just not as precise as it is in more current times?

Any ideas would be helpful as this is irritating me to death.

Thank you
I don’t know if this is of any help, but the man is named Joseph E. Kerr.

Also, his wife Mary (?) was born on a ship c. 1805. No marriage records exist.

http://www.maxwellancestry.com/ancestry/resources/prisonsearch.aspx a free Scotlish border prison search

http://familytimeline.webs.com/apps/links/ I was looking at a link from this website about transported UK convicts yesterday and found lots of information, several took ailas’s so if he did thn he could be using a different name, also look at the Old Baily link as he may have been sent to London to face trial ( and you hope he was as there is full free searchable records)… http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=1823+transported+convicts&method=and&format=builtin-short&matchesperpage=20&sort=score&config=genuki&restrict=&exclude=&restrict_header=&backlink_header=
Also there are marriages and births registered onboard…you may find he never married rather than it was not recorded and just target searching’ "Joseph Kerr" scotland’ you may find further information…..you hope he was a convict as a convict is worse than a prisoner and at that time in history he would have been transported and records are easier to get if your ancestors are rich or rogues ( more records)

There are also some Kerr’s on these websites http://www.johnmacmillan.co.uk/cemeteries/dum_mouswald.html
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cdobie/sanquhar.htm

Add: look on the links page I gave you ( familytimeline’s) under general FH resources at ‘Black sheep ancestry’

AGW Deniers: Are FIVE exonerations enough to get you to stop whining about "Climategate"?

March 21st, 2011 3 comments

I’m guessing you didn’t hear about this on Rush or Glenn’s shows:

"The new review was the fifth investigation to reach similar conclusions about the e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists"

British Panel Clears Climate Scientists
By JUSTIN GILLIS

A British panel on Wednesday exonerated the scientists caught up in the controversy known as Climategate of charges that they had manipulated their research to support preconceived ideas about global warming.

But the panel also rebuked the scientists for several aspects of their behavior, especially their reluctance to release computer files backing up their scientific work. And it declared that a that graph they produced in 1999 about climate in the past was “misleading” and should have contained caveats.

The researcher at the center of the flap, Phil Jones, a leading climatologist who had temporarily stepped down from his position at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia pending the results of the inquiry, was immediately reinstated to a job resembling his old one. The university solicited and paid for the new report.

The Climatic Research Unit, often referred to as CRU, has played a leading role in efforts to understand Earth’s past climate. Embarrassing e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists were purloined from a computer at the university in November and posted to the Internet. The e-mail messages led to a deluge of accusations from climate-change skeptics.

Some of the scientists were forced to admit that they had been guilty of poor behavior, such as chortling in the e-mail messages about the death of one climate skeptic. But were the researchers, as the skeptics charged, guilty of scientific misconduct?

"On the specific allegations made against the behavior of CRU scientists, we find that their rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt," said the new review, led by Muir Russell, a retired British civil servant and educator.

The Russell panel also found little reason to question the advice the scientists had given to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations body that produces a major review of the science of global warming every few years. The new report said that "we did not find any evidence of behavior that might undermine the conclusions of the I.P.C.C. assessments."

The new review was the fifth investigation to reach similar conclusions about the e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists, though it was the most comprehensive and eagerly awaited. “We have maintained all along that our science is honest and sound and this has been vindicated now by three different independent external bodies,” Dr. Jones said in a statement.

Last week, the second of two reviews at Pennsylvania State University largely exonerated Michael Mann, a scientist there who had also been a focus of the controversy.

The latest report was by no means a complete vindication for the British scientists or for the University of East Anglia, however.

Echoing the findings of an earlier report by a parliamentary committee in London, the reviewers criticized "a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness" in responding to demands for backup data and other information under Britain’s laws governing public records.

On the single most serious accusation that was raised against the researchers, the Russell panel did find some cause for complaint, but it did not issue the robust condemnation for which climate skeptics had been hoping. The issue involved an effort to reconstruct the climate history of the past several thousand years using indirect indicators like the size of tree rings and the growth rate of corals.

The CRU researchers, leaders in that type of work, were trying in 1999 to produce a long-term temperature chart that could be used in a United Nations publication. But they were dogged by a problem: since around 1960, for mysterious reasons, trees have stopped responding to temperature increases in the same way they apparently did in previous centuries. If plotted on a chart, tree rings from 1960 forward appear to show declining temperatures, which scientists know from thermometer readings is not accurate.

Most scientific papers have dealt with this problem by ending their charts in 1960 or by grafting modern thermometer measurements onto the historical reconstructions. In the 1999 chart, the CRU researchers chose the latter course for one especially significant line on their graph.

In an e-mail message, Dr. Jones described this technique as a “trick” meant to “hide the decline” shown by the tree rings.

The Russell panel concluded that the procedure itself was acceptable in principle, as long as it was described clearly. This the CRU researchers had failed to do for that particular iteration of the graphic, the panel said, leading to its conclusion that the

That’s all you’ve got?

They will now claim the investigation was biased. In fact they already have. No amount of evidence will sway them. It’s sad really, as they call liberals sheep but they ONLY believe what Fox and their pundits tell them.

help dealing with depression?

March 18th, 2011 4 comments

To start off, I am an 18 year old male, I have a very supportive family and a girlfriend who loves me. For the last 3 years of my life, I have been depressed, going through many ups and downs. I never feel happy anymore or feel like smiling. I am always so bored, tired, and stuck inside my own head. I always have so many negative thoughts running through my head, which just makes me more depressed. My depression started when I was sent off to a tennis academy in my 10th grade year. I was home schooled from 7th grade to 10th grade because of tennis competitions and training. After spending a year at the tennis academy, I was burnt out from tennis. I had spent practically my entire child hood playing tennis 24/7 (practice all week and tournaments on the weekends). I then went back to live at home and attend my local high school. Through school I met a few friends that got me into drinking and drugs and from the first time I got drunk, high, and the first time I had a cigarette I was hooked immediately. My 11th grade year consisted of getting hammered almost every weekend and even on school nights and smoking weed almost everyday. I just loved the feeling of not feeling if you understand. I basically went from being top 100 in the nation in my age group for tennis to barely playing. The same thing continued through my senior year, just smoking more and getting messed up, ditching school, not doing homework etc. I have been in three long-term relationships that have really messed with my emotions and make it really hard for me to open up to anyone. I was cheated on once and the other one was a spoiled private school brat who messed with my emotions. I’ve been dating my girlfriend for about 9 months now and I am leaving for college in 2 weeks causing me to feel stressed about how things are going to work out with her. I don’t know what to do because we are so close with each other. I know for a fact that things aren’t going to work out while I’m at college considering I live in California and I am going to Drexel University in Pennsylvania. Each day I live I feel like it’s the same old thing. I feel worthless and depressed about what I did to myself. My parents spent hundrends of thousands of dollars on tennis for me and I messed it all up. Luckily enough I got a scholarship for tennis to Drexel just because of my playing record. I am very nervous about college and how I will fit in. I feel that I am a very bland person with no personality. I never seem to be interesting to anybody. I always have bad thoughts that pop into my head, whether it be death or point of life. I’ve had thoughts about suicide but I could never do it. I am at a point in my life where I don’t know where to go or what path to take. I used to have a lot of friends and hobbies now I only have friends who smoke and drink all the time and wouldn’t be my friend if I didn’t. I wish there was something that coiuld just resolve what I am feeling and make me feel happy again. I know I kind of rambled a lot but if anybody has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
i have taken anti depressants and i have add and i used to take meds for it. I had a psychologist but didnt seem to help. I never have any energy as well.

Hi from France

Go see a Psychoanalyst ( not a simple psychologist, nor a psychiatrist), by letting to talk you like you want to, he / her will help you to find WHY you have this depression. Then it could be treated.
Don’t think Psychoanalysts are expensive, most adapt their prices in accordance with the income of people.

Have a great day,

Cat.

help dealing with depression?

March 14th, 2011 No comments

To start off, I am an 18 year old male, I have a very supportive family and a girlfriend who loves me. For the last 3 years of my life, I have been depressed, going through many ups and downs. I never feel happy anymore or feel like smiling. I am always so bored, tired, and stuck inside my own head. I always have so many negative thoughts running through my head, which just makes me more depressed. My depression started when I was sent off to a tennis academy in my 10th grade year. I was home schooled from 7th grade to 10th grade because of tennis competitions and training. After spending a year at the tennis academy, I was burnt out from tennis. I had spent practically my entire child hood playing tennis 24/7 (practice all week and tournaments on the weekends). I then went back to live at home and attend my local high school. Through school I met a few friends that got me into drinking and drugs and from the first time I got drunk, high, and the first time I had a cigarette I was hooked immediately. My 11th grade year consisted of getting hammered almost every weekend and even on school nights and smoking weed almost everyday. I just loved the feeling of not feeling if you understand. I basically went from being top 100 in the nation in my age group for tennis to barely playing. The same thing continued through my senior year, just smoking more and getting messed up, ditching school, not doing homework etc. I have been in three long-term relationships that have really messed with my emotions and make it really hard for me to open up to anyone. I was cheated on once and the other one was a spoiled private school brat who messed with my emotions. I’ve been dating my girlfriend for about 9 months now and I am leaving for college in 2 weeks causing me to feel stressed about how things are going to work out with her. I don’t know what to do because we are so close with each other. I know for a fact that things aren’t going to work out while I’m at college considering I live in California and I am going to Drexel University in Pennsylvania. Each day I live I feel like it’s the same old thing. I feel worthless and depressed about what I did to myself. My parents spent hundrends of thousands of dollars on tennis for me and I messed it all up. Luckily enough I got a scholarship for tennis to Drexel just because of my playing record. I am very nervous about college and how I will fit in. I feel that I am a very bland person with no personality. I never seem to be interesting to anybody. I always have bad thoughts that pop into my head, whether it be death or point of life. I’ve had thoughts about suicide but I could never do it. I am at a point in my life where I don’t know where to go or what path to take. I used to have a lot of friends and hobbies now I only have friends who smoke and drink all the time and wouldn’t be my friend if I didn’t. I wish there was something that coiuld just resolve what I am feeling and make me feel happy again. I know I kind of rambled a lot but if anybody has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
i have taken anti depressants and i have add and i used to take meds for it. I had a psychologist but didnt seem to help. I never have any energy as well.

Hi from France

Go see a Psychoanalyst ( not a simple psychologist, nor a psychiatrist), by letting to talk you like you want to, he / her will help you to find WHY you have this depression. Then it could be treated.
Don’t think Psychoanalysts are expensive, most adapt their prices in accordance with the income of people.

Have a great day,

Cat.

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Antiquity of the Vedic Civilization- the Great Deluge

March 14th, 2011 No comments

                             ANTIQUITY OF THE VEDIC CIVILIZATION                              

  THE GREAT DELUGE:

 Certain things or events, happens, that gets ingrained in the memory of not one person but of the whole race or population and then that information is passed on from one generation to the other thus becoming a legend. One such event was the great flood which got ingrained in the memory of humanity in a large scale as is evident from various legends not only from India but also from different parts of the world. The legend of the flood is one such memory of the humanity that is there in the legends of many tribes and civilizations, present and past, from Celtic in the north to India and also mentioned in the old testament. The mention of the great flood in also there in the Vedas

 I call this disaster global because of the geographical distribution of this particular legend. To be present in the legends of so many civilizations and tribes, this disaster must have been on a large scale. So large that people from all parts of the world was affected in a major way, so as to find mention in their legends. Such a massive global disaster did not occur within 4500 years, before present. The myths and legends surrounding the huge, tremendous, catastrophic global flood, seems more to be a fact rather than a fiction. The earliest written record of the flood comes from the Sumerian civilization some 4th to 3rd millennia BC. In the Sumerian city of Nippura ( located some 200 Km south of the city of Baghdad on the bank of the Euphrates river). There an archaeological excavation brought about a clay tablet and from this very clay tablet we come to know about a very pious man named Zisudra. He was appointed by the almighty and thus he was told to built a huge Ship and to save the mankind from the impending disaster. According to the tablet, Gods were angry of the human race and their wrong doings and they came to a conclusion that such a cleansing act should be done. The good and the pious people should be exempted from the trauma of such an act and hence Zisudra was chosen by the gods to save mankind. Zisudra got a vision that such a catastrophic deluge is going to come and that he should make a huge boat and take with him seeds of future civilization, flora, and fauna so that he can oversee the rebirth of eden once again. In the Epic Of Gilgamesh the legend of the flood is no different from the Sumerian legend.

 Utnapishtim, the only man to survive the great flood sent by the gods, had lived in the city of Shurrupak, where he served the god Ea. The city and gods grew old, and the goddess Ishtar caused such strife among men that the gods could not sleep for the noise. So Enlil, god of earth, wind, and air, said, “Let us loose the waters on the world, and drown them all.” The gods agreed, but Ea warned Utnpishtim of the impending disaster in a dream and told him to build a boat, and take on board two of every creature. For seven nights the tempest raged, until the entire world was covered in water.

At last, the boat ran aground on the top of Mount Nisir. To check the water level, Utnapishtim set free a dove, then a swallow, then a raven. When the raven did not return, Utnapishtim knew it had found a resting place and the waters were subsiding. In thanks, he lit a fire to make a sacrifice to the gods. Enlil was furious when he smelled the smoke, but wise Ea interceded, and Enlil made Utnapishtim and his wife immortal; they are the ancestors of all humanity.

The legend of the flood is also so very similar among the Greeks. It goes some thing like this—- From his throne in the high Olympos, Zeus looked down on the children of men, and saw that everywhere they followed only their lusts, and cared nothing for right or for law. And ever, as their hearts waxed grosser in their wickedness, they devised for themselves new rites to appease the anger of the gods, till the whole earth was filled with blood. Far away in the hidden glens of the Arcadian hills the sons of Lykaon feasted and spake proud words against the majesty of Zeus, and Zeus himself came down from his throne to see their way and their doings. Then Zeus returned to his home on Olympos, and he gave the word that a flood of waters should be let loose upon the earth, that the sons of man might die for their great wickedness. So the west wind rose in its might, and the dark rain-clouds veiled the whole heaven, for the winds of the north which drive away the mists and vapors were shut up in their prison house. On hill and valley burst the merciless rain, and the rivers, loosened from their courses, rushed over the whole plains and up the mountain-side. From his home on the highlands of Phtia, Deukalion looked forth on the angry sky, and when he saw the waters swelling in the valleys beneath, he called Pyrrha, his wife, and said to her: ‘The time has come of which my father, the wise Prometheus, forewarned me. Make ready, therefore, the ark which I have built, and place in it all that we may need for food while the flood of waters is out upon the earth.’ The Pyrrha hastened to make all things ready, and they waited till the waters rose up to the highlands of Phthia and floated away the ark of Deukalion. The fishes swam amidst the old elm-groves, and twined amongst the gnarled boughs on the oaks, while on the face of the waters were tossed the bodies of men; and Deukalion looked on the dead faces of stalwart warriors, of maidens, and of babes as they rose and fell upon the heavy waves.

The  Chaldean flood myth is very near to the Old testament. In this legend even the dimension of the huge boat has been reveled. The myth goes like this—-After the death of Ardates, his xon Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge, the history of which is thus described: The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Desius there would be a flood, by which mankind would be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning , procedure, and conclusion of all things and to bury it in the City of the Sun at Sippara: and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations, and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep. Having asked the deity whither he was to sail, he was answered: ‘To the Gods;’ upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition, and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Ito this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all converged into it his wife, his children, and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which not finding any food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters. He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountain; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his daughter and the pilot. Xisuthrus then paid his adoration to the earth, and  having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the gods.

The very effort to mention all these flood legend in this article has but one motive and that is to impress upon my readers the striking similarities of these legends, though these legends are from different geographical regions. The legend of Noah’s ark in the Old Testament is no different than all the above legends discussed. In India we have two flood legends The first is about a pious king called Manu. This legend appears in satapata Bhramana. HYPERLINK  \l “toHYPERLINK  \l

Once very long ago a pious king named Manu was washing himself. When he reached into the water jar to wash his hands, he pulled up a small fish.

The fish spoke to him, saying, “If you take care of me and protect me until I am full grown, I will save you from the terrible things to come.” Manu asked the fish, “What do you mean? What terrible things?” The fish told Manu that there would soon be a great flood that would destroy every human being on earth. The fish then instructed Manu to place him in a clay jar for safety, and Manu complied. As the fish grew, Manu kept placing it in a series of larger clay jars until the fish was full grown and could be placed safely in the sea. Soon the fish became ghasha, one of the largest fishes in the world.

The fish instructed Manu to build a large ship, as the flood was now only months away. As the rains began, Manu tied a rope form his ship to the ghasha, which safely guided him as the waters rose. The waters grew so high that the entire earth was covered. As the waters subsided, the ghasha guided Manu to a mountaintop.

The second legend is about a pious man named satyabrata .( The name means one who always speaks the truth). Many ages after the creation of the world, Brahma resolved to destroy it with deluge, on account of the wickedness of the people. There lived at that time a pious man named Satyavrata, and as the lord of the universe loved this pious man, and wished to preserve him from the sea of destruction which was to appear on account of the depravity of the age, he appeared before him in the form of Vishnu and said: in seven days from the present time the worlds will be plunged in an ocean of death, but in the midst of the destroying waves, a large vessel, sent by me for thy use, shall stand before thee. Then shalt thou take all medicinal herbs, all the variety of feeds, and accompanied by seven saints, encircled by pairs of all brute animals, thou shalt fasten it with a large sea-serpent on my horn; for I will be near thee, drawing the vessel, with thee and thy attendants. I will remain on the ocean, O chief of men, until a night of Brahma shall be completely ended. Thou shalt then know my true greatness, rightly named the Supreme Godhead; by my favor, all thy questions shall be answered, and thy mind abundantly instructed.

The factor of commonality, in this legend, from Sumer to India and Europe is baffling. Were, Zisudra, Utnaphistim, Zeus, Xisusthrus ( note the phonetic similarity with that of Zisudra ), Manu, and satyabrata, the same person?? OR are they different people of the same civilization, who managed to save themselves from the great deluge and started a fresh civilization where ever they sighted land and hence the names of the person changed but the story remained the same. Did the flood actually take place? If so what was the scale of this deluge and where did this happen? These are all the question that needs to be probed. The myth of this great flood is not limited to the few mentioned herein in fact there are many, many more. They can be categorized as follows :

•        59 North American Indian flood legends

•        46 Central and South American Indian flood legends

•        31 European flood legends

•        17 Middle Eastern and African flood legends

•        23 Asian flood legends

•        37 Pacific Island and Australian Aboriginal flood legends

All these myths have few things in common:  HYPERLINK  \

A worldwide flood happened that destroyed both man and animals

There was a vessel, a huge boat, the dimensions also being mentioned in the myth.

An extremely small remnant of people survived

Finally resting on a mountain

Birds being released and not returning

Birds being released and returning with something

I will now try to give my readers some evidences of such a devastating deluge which took place and its possible time frame. The first and very compelling evidence is the very fact that this myth is prevalent in all culture but in spite of the varied geographical presence and varied cultural dogma the similarities are all but same. There was an article in the Sunday times dated 29.9.99 which I have quoted here verbatim for my readers.

“Compelling evidence that there was a Great Flood, as told in the Old Testament story of Noah’s Ark, has been found far below the waters of the Black Sea by an American expedition.

Underwater surveyors, led by Robert Ballard, the renowned oceanographer who found the Titanic and other sunken ships of the 20th century, have discovered an ancient coastline at a depth of 450 ft.

“I am not sure whether it is Noah’s flood or not Noah’s flood, but I do buy that there was a flood,” said David Mindell, one of the surveyors.

The Ballard team was working from a theory about the biblical flood of antiquity propounded by two marine geologists from Columbia University in New York, William Ryan and Walter Pittman, in their new book, Noah’s Flood, reviewed in Scribe No. 71, page 3.

As Dr Ballard explained; “During the last great Ice Age glaciers advanced across the surface of the world. That lowered the sea level 400ft. Then, 12,000 years ago at the end of the Ice Age, the glaciers began to retreat”.

With its lower sea level, the eastern Mediterranean was cut off from the Black Sea so that when the oceans started to rise, the Black Sea did not.

Dr Ballard continued: “Around 7,600 years ago, guess what happens? The Mediterranean breaks through a natural dam at the Bosphorus and catastrophically floods the land surface. People living there are 400ft below sea level and in trouble. They are facing a flood equal to 10,000 Niagara Falls.”

This flood was on a far greater scale than the one described in Genesis, which is said to have lasted for 40 days and 40 nights, covering every living thing on Earth beneath 24ft of water other than Noah, his family and his pairs of animals carried to safety on the ark.

In the new theory, it is believed that each day for two years ten cubic miles of ocean water cut through the widening Bosphorus channel as it flowed into what was then a fresh water lake, raising the level by six inches a day.

The incoming salt water, more dense than the fresh water it displaced, plunged to the bottom of the lake bed, transforming it into a sea where the depths support no life.

This area of inert darkness is known as an abyss that is anoxic, meaning that the trapped water could not circulate and has lost its oxygen, “Such conditions exist nowhere else in the world,” Dr Ballard said.

The theory supposes that in this dead zone wooden ships will be preserved intact, possibly still with their Bronze Age sails, and just waiting for Dr Ballard and his team. The explorers are convinced that there may be many ships on the bottom because the Black Sea served as an important commercial waterway.

Dr Ballard has participated in 120 deep-sea expeditions. He found two Phoenician vessels more than 3,000 years old.

Fredrik Hiebert of the University of Pennsylvania, the team’s chief archaeologist, said the discovery “represents the first concrete evidence for occupation of the Black Sea coast prior to its flooding.”

“This is a major discovery that will begin to rewrite the history of the cultures in this key area between Europe, Asia and the ancient Middle East,” Hiebert said.

The remnants of human habitation were found in more than 300 feet of water about 12 miles off the coast of Turkey.”

According to professor Masse , Among all the flood myths he is interested in the Hindu myth where particularly, the myth describes an alignment of the five bright planets that has happened only once in the last 5,000 years. Thus we do start getting a possible time frame about the great deluge. That’s from 7500BC to 5000BC. In 2004, at a conference of geologists, astronomers, and archaeologists, Masse outlined his evidence for a world-ravaging impact in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Ted Bryant, a geomorphologist at the University of Wollongong in New South Wales, Australia, was intrigued and enlisted the help of Dallas Abbott, an assistant professor at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University. In 2005, they formed the Holocene Impact Working Group (referring to the geological period covering the last 11,000 years) to seek out the geological signatures of a mega tsunami. If a 600-foot-high wave ravages a coastline, it should leave a lot of debris behind. In the case of waves generated by asteroid impacts, the debris they leave in their wake is believed to form gigantic, wedge-shaped sandy structures known as chevrons that are sometimes packed with deep-oceanic microfossils dredged up by the tsunami.

When Abbott began searching satellite images on Google Earth, she saw dozens of chevrons along shorelines and inland in Africa and Asia. The shape and size of these chevrons suggest that they might have been formed by waves emanating from the impact of a comet slamming into the deep ocean off Madagascar. The chevrons in Madagascar associated with the crater were filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean. There is no explanation for their presence other than a cosmic impact, she says. “People are going to have to start taking this theory a lot more seriously. The next step is to perform carbon-14 dating on the fossils to see if they are indeed 5,000 years old. Meanwhile, Bryant contends that chevrons found (pdf) 4 miles inland from the shore of Madagascar were formed by a wave that traveled 25 miles along the coast, moving almost parallel to the shoreline. “Neither erosion nor any other terrestrial process could have caused these formations. The biggest marine landslide ever recorded happened 7,200 years ago off the coast of Norway, and there was a tsunami, but it was a far cry from leaving deposits 200 meters above sea level, Bryant says.

The Great Flood was a very unusual and singular event. Because of the magnitude of the destruction, it would have left an indelible and permanent mark on the minds of any survivors. This story would have been told and retold, passing down from generation to generation. And so it was. What could have caused such an event that etched its remembrance in the population of the world. That event has to be really big. It is now pertinent to mention the work of Plato here at this juncture– Timaeus and Critias. Here plato described about a paradise named Atlantis which suddenly vanished from the face of the earth. He described about an intelligent civilization that lived in this beautiful paradise. Both accounts, Timaeus and Critias, describe:

A pre-flood civilization.

God’s decision to destroy mankind because of his wickedness.

The destruction of civilization by a Great Flood.

The suddenness of the cataclysm.

The extent of the destruction affecting the entire globe.

According to Plato, the island of Atlantis and the distant Mediterranean civilizations were completely destroyed in a single day and night of violent earthquakes and floods. They disappeared into the depths of the sea. And according to Plato, the Great Flood occurred around 11,400 years ago. (The account records the event occurring 9000 years before Plato’s time. Plato’s dialogues were written around 360 BC) This would make the Pre-Flood civilization an Ice Age civilization.

A Global disaster of such proportion can happen only when there is an impact by a comet or an asteroid. An atmospheric impact, commonly referred to as a bolide or airburst, is another type of impact event. The Tunguska impact is an example of a strong bolide event. Another type of impact is an Ice Age glacial impact. Such an impact could produce the effects contained in the Biblical description of the Great Flood.

A comet/asteroid impact on a large glacier mass could cause the following effects:

Release vast quantities of heat.

Produce massive earthquakes.

Produce trapped superheated steam that would exert force to uplift and move a large glacier mass.

Fracture glacial sheets.

Eject water, steam and ice high into the atmosphere.

Release stored potential energy.

Produce a partial glacial ice melt.

Produce an almost immediate rise in sea level.

Produce great rainfall.

Slowly driving the ocean crust deeper.

Slowly raising the continental crust higher.

Produce volcanoes and lava flows.

The impact of a large comet/asteroid (~2 mile diameter) with an Ice Age glacial sheet could produce the following chain of events:

The impactor penetrates through miles of thick ice, like a bullet. Below the surface, the impact releases the energy of a million nuclear bombs. A gas bubble of trapped superheated steam forms. The steam causes a general uplifting of the glacier ice sheet. The ice sheet rises like a steam boiler about to burst. The gas bubble exerts tremendous force on the ice flow. The impact triggers the release of potential energy locked in ice flow allowing million of tons to break loose and begins to move on the frictionless fluid bed toward the oceans. Some of the steam escapes like an erupting geyser or volcano. The glacier sheet fractures, opening up fissions for the steam to escape. Boiling water and steam further lubricate the surface boundary layer of the ice flow. The explosion hurls large masses of ice fragments into the air with great force. Ice and water flowing off the continents cause an immediate rise in sea level in conformance with the Displacement Theory. The released superheated steam falls back to Earth, generating very violent storms. Heavy rain falls for several days and weeks. The atmosphere heats up. Large earthquakes combined with the Earth’s crustal rebound from the movement of large ice sheets exert significant strain on the tectonic plates. The strain is relieved by the eruption of volcanoes, and lava flows throughout the world. Underwater earthquakes expose frozen methane hydrate beds. The heat generated at the impact point and the heat from underwater volcanoes and lava flows elevate the temperature of the ocean bottoms and melt the exposed methane hydrate. The released methane bubbles to the surface, where in time it is ignited by lightning strikes, which further raises atmospheric temperatures. The methane burn releases large quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. In the end, the global temperature rises significantly, breaking the back of the Ice Age. This in turn sets the ball rolling and the earth plunges in the cycle of destruction till the earth and its dynamics slows down considerably. Then the climate again stabilizes. The oceans, the sees, the rivers starts their respective restorative actions.

In India also there are strong evidence of this Global disaster. Mahabharat tell about the sunken dwarka. For centuries, local fishermen on the coast of Mahabalipuram in India have believed that a great flood consumed a city over 10,000 years ago in a single day. This story was recorded  by British explorer J. Goldingham, who visited the area in 1798. The legend said there were six temples submerged beneath the water, with the seventh temple still standing on the shore. Now author Graham Hancock thinks he’s found them.

“I have long regarded Mahabalipuram, because of its flood myths and fishermen’s sightings as a very likely place in which discoveries of underwater structures could be made, and I proposed that a diving expedition should be undertaken there,” says Hancock.

In April, he made a diving expedition to the area, working with the U.K. Scientific Exploration Society and India’s National Institute of Oceanography. The SES says, “A joint expedition of 25 divers from the Scientific Exploration Society and India’s National Institute of Oceanography led by Monty Halls and accompanied by Graham Hancock, have discovered an extensive area with a series of structures that clearly show man made attributes, at a depth of (16-23 feet) offshore of Mahabalipuram in Tamil Nadu. The scale of the submerged ruins, covering several square miles and at distances of up to a mile from shore, ranks this as a major marine-archaeological discovery as spectacular as the ruined cities submerged off Alexandria in Egypt.”

The NIO says, “A team of underwater archaeologists from National Institute of Oceanography NIO have successfully unearthed evidence of submerged structures off Mahabalipuram and established first-ever proof of the popular belief that the Shore temple of Mahabalipuram is the remnant of series of total seven of such temples built that have been submerged in succession. The discovery was made during a joint underwater exploration with the Scientific Exploration Society, U.K.”

“Between 17,000 years ago and 7000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, terrible things happened to the world our ancestors lived in,” Hancock says. “Great ice caps over northern Europe and north America melted down, huge floods ripped across the earth, sea-level rose by more than (325 feet), and about (15 million square miles) of formerly habitable lands were swallowed up by the waves.”

Besides deep diving explorations, ancient submerged structures have also been discovered from space. Space NASA satellite images have revealed a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The bridge has been named Adam’s Bridge and was created from a chain of shoals, about 18 miles long. It’s unique curvature reveals that it’s manmade.

Archeological studies reveal that the first human inhabitants of Sri Lanka came to the island around 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge is about the same age. This is in line with a legend called Ramayana, which dates from more than 1,700,000 years ago. In this epic, a bridge was built between Rameshwaram (India) and the coast of Sri Lanka under the supervision of the god-like Rama. This also gives us some idea about the antiquity of the Vedic civilization. If Ramayana was a reality then Vedic civilization is the pre glacial civilization.

In the end of this article I can only say that The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.

Bibliography:

In search of the cradle of civilization.—-by, George Feuerstien, Subhash Kak,          and David frawley.

Underworld:      Graham Hancock

http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/Flood.htm

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2075

www.runtus.org/USERIMAGES/CulturalEvidence.doc

The Sunday Times – 27.9.99

http://www.atheistnation.net/news/?atheist/article,00127

Amlan Roychowdhury

AGW Deniers: Are FIVE exonerations enough to get you to stop whining about "Climategate"?

July 18th, 2010 No comments

I’m guessing you didn’t hear about this on Rush or Glenn’s shows:

"The new review was the fifth investigation to reach similar conclusions about the e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists"

British Panel Clears Climate Scientists
By JUSTIN GILLIS

A British panel on Wednesday exonerated the scientists caught up in the controversy known as Climategate of charges that they had manipulated their research to support preconceived ideas about global warming.

But the panel also rebuked the scientists for several aspects of their behavior, especially their reluctance to release computer files backing up their scientific work. And it declared that a that graph they produced in 1999 about climate in the past was “misleading” and should have contained caveats.

The researcher at the center of the flap, Phil Jones, a leading climatologist who had temporarily stepped down from his position at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia pending the results of the inquiry, was immediately reinstated to a job resembling his old one. The university solicited and paid for the new report.

The Climatic Research Unit, often referred to as CRU, has played a leading role in efforts to understand Earth’s past climate. Embarrassing e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists were purloined from a computer at the university in November and posted to the Internet. The e-mail messages led to a deluge of accusations from climate-change skeptics.

Some of the scientists were forced to admit that they had been guilty of poor behavior, such as chortling in the e-mail messages about the death of one climate skeptic. But were the researchers, as the skeptics charged, guilty of scientific misconduct?

"On the specific allegations made against the behavior of CRU scientists, we find that their rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt," said the new review, led by Muir Russell, a retired British civil servant and educator.

The Russell panel also found little reason to question the advice the scientists had given to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations body that produces a major review of the science of global warming every few years. The new report said that "we did not find any evidence of behavior that might undermine the conclusions of the I.P.C.C. assessments."

The new review was the fifth investigation to reach similar conclusions about the e-mail messages sent by Dr. Jones and other scientists, though it was the most comprehensive and eagerly awaited. “We have maintained all along that our science is honest and sound and this has been vindicated now by three different independent external bodies,” Dr. Jones said in a statement.

Last week, the second of two reviews at Pennsylvania State University largely exonerated Michael Mann, a scientist there who had also been a focus of the controversy.

The latest report was by no means a complete vindication for the British scientists or for the University of East Anglia, however.

Echoing the findings of an earlier report by a parliamentary committee in London, the reviewers criticized "a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness" in responding to demands for backup data and other information under Britain’s laws governing public records.

On the single most serious accusation that was raised against the researchers, the Russell panel did find some cause for complaint, but it did not issue the robust condemnation for which climate skeptics had been hoping. The issue involved an effort to reconstruct the climate history of the past several thousand years using indirect indicators like the size of tree rings and the growth rate of corals.

The CRU researchers, leaders in that type of work, were trying in 1999 to produce a long-term temperature chart that could be used in a United Nations publication. But they were dogged by a problem: since around 1960, for mysterious reasons, trees have stopped responding to temperature increases in the same way they apparently did in previous centuries. If plotted on a chart, tree rings from 1960 forward appear to show declining temperatures, which scientists know from thermometer readings is not accurate.

Most scientific papers have dealt with this problem by ending their charts in 1960 or by grafting modern thermometer measurements onto the historical reconstructions. In the 1999 chart, the CRU researchers chose the latter course for one especially significant line on their graph.

In an e-mail message, Dr. Jones described this technique as a “trick” meant to “hide the decline” shown by the tree rings.

The Russell panel concluded that the procedure itself was acceptable in principle, as long as it was described clearly. This the CRU researchers had failed to do for that particular iteration of the graphic, the panel said, leading to its conclusion that the

That’s all you’ve got?

They will now claim the investigation was biased. In fact they already have. No amount of evidence will sway them. It’s sad really, as they call liberals sheep but they ONLY believe what Fox and their pundits tell them.

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