What’s all this Obama Birth Certificate nonsense?
Friday, November 21, 2008
Judge tosses Obama birth certificate suit
Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
A lawsuit that tried to force the State of Hawaii to release a copy of President-Elect Barack Obama’s birth certificate has been dismissed.
Honolulu Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe on Wednesday ruled that author Andy Martin had no standing under state law to obtain a copy of the birth certificate.
Ayabe said in his decision that Martin had no “direct and tangible interest in the vital statistic records being sought.” Hawaii public records laws are more restrictive than in many states and allow birth and death certificates to be released only to family members and those with a “direct” interest.
The inability of Obama critics to put their hands on his actual birth record from a Honolulu hospital in August 1961 has fueled rumors that he wasn’t actually born in the United States but instead was born in Kenya, his father’s home country.
Martin, a Chicago-based author and Obama critic, moved to Hawaii in November in an attempt to dig out more information about the candidate and filed the lawsuit demanding access to the birth certificate.
In response to the clamor, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, confirmed that Obama’s original birth certificate was on file and that she had personally seen it.
The above is a news report I found online, there are many others that say the same thing. Why are people so desperate to claim Obama isn’t a citizen? Oh wait, because they lost the election and are now crying about it. I bet these same people were calling Al Gore names when he was demanding a recount, which was actually a LIGITIMATE CONCERN.
All the info I am finding says he was born in Hawaii. This cam from FactCheck.org:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
And besides, all cadidates get vetted before they can even run for president, something as important as U.S. Citizenship would not have been overlooked. The companies that handle the vetting proccess aren’t biased one way or the other, they just look at the facts. Once the the candidate is vetted, he or she can run, all the fact checking for eligablity is done beforehand.
You answered your own question… its NONSENSE.
Re: “The underlying document which is the vault birth certificate signed by the doctor and showing the hospital has not been produced by Obama….”
Because he does not have it. Hawaii sends out only the new short-form Certification of Live Birth. That is what they sent to Obama, and that is all that he can post. If there was an earlier, long-form certificate sent to the family, it has been lost. In 2007 Obama asked Hawaii for his birth certificate, and Hawaii send him the short-form Certification, which is what it sends to everyone. It no longer sends out copies of the original (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html)
However, the Certification is the official birth certificate, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.
The Wall Street Journal commented: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”
People just can’t accept the fact that a BLACK man is president. That’s all.
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Tis nonsense, coming from right wing fear mongers with nothing better to do with their time. Btw, that is ALL the right has run on and won on for years – fear.
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You answered your own question… its NONSENSE.
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As you pointed out, it’s nonsense.
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Because he’s not a citizen of the US.
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WE JUST WANT TO SEE IT!
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It’s the Conservative right, too upset that we elected a black man and a Democrat, so they are doing all they can to create more skeletons in his closet, even though they have already been Aeyered.
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Fukino and Onako chose their words very carefully when they made that statement. They did NOT say they saw the long-form vault copy of Obama’s certicate, the one that contains the attending physician’s signature. They did honestly claim to have seen that generic form, the one that was legitimately filed similar to what we have seen. However, that one, without doctor’s signature, is a form that is awarded to anyone who can prove their parent was a citizen, which is something that legitimizes citizenship for any foreign-born person whose parent is a citizen, allowed per some Act installed in 1911.
BUT, because Obama’s father was not a US citizen or National, Obama must either have that physician-signed copy, proving US birth, or he could have been born outside the country if his dad had been nationalized and then lived in the US for one year.
Obama CANNOT prove either. BUT, it won’t matter because (1) congress wants Obama in office (both DEM and GOP) because they know Obama won’t initiate an investigation into the financial failure (2) it’s not a good time to rattle the presidency and (3) the powers that be fear riots that will further destabilize our current state.
THEREFORE, Obama will get by with snubbing his nose at the constitution of the US, which he has said is flawed.
It makes me ill.
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Just to play devil’s advocate here, what if he isn’t eligible to hold the office? Is there ever a time in your own life that you would have such a strong position in not presenting your birth certificate upon request?
It isn’t just a "nonsense". It is one of the requirements for the office of the President under the Constitution of the United States. And it is not just a right wing concern. Many moderates are questioning this as well. The only ones that aren’t are the Liberals, who seem to always have no problem bending rules when it fits with their agenda.
Wouldn’t it be easy just to say, here, take a look and put the problem to rest?
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One of the things that started this is his grandma said she remembered him being born in Kenya. The other thing is where he went to school in Indonesia. At that time if you were not a citizen of Indonesia, you could not go to school there. I don’t know these statements as facts, just what is being said. I f someone said they personally saw his birth certificate, that has no meaning, he said, she said,etc. He is at present being sued again over this by Alan Keys(who ran for president). He was affected by Obama’s lack of showing his birth certificate. Personally I sure don’t understand why anyone would not be willing to show their birth certificate to prove once and for all exactly where he was born. That denial makes him look guilty of some sort of cover up.
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He was VOTED in by the majority of the population. So unfortunately, none of this matters and so it shouldn’t.
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Should the fact Barack Hussein Obama was not born in the USA as has been alleged and he has taken the oath of Office of the President it will make him and all his supporters traitors and trigger a massive civil war within the USA. He knows this and does not care. Thus his call for NCDF under his direct control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
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The problem is that to be president , you must be both a citizen and also a "natural-born" citizen – born in the US or in a US territory. Thus, Gov. Schwarzenegger who is a US citizen cannot be president. If President-elect Obama is not "natural-born", then he cannot be sworn in as president.
The computer record generated by the State of Hawaii is not the issue. The underlying document which is the vault birth certificate signed by the doctor and showing the hospital has not been produced by Obama despite at least 9 lawsuits to compel its production. The Hawaiian Secretary of Health has confirmed that there is a vault certificate; however she has not disclosed the contents of the "vault" certificate. . This is of import and interest because from 1911 to 1972, Hawaii would record a birth of a person over the age of l upon an affidavit stating that the person/child was born at home. This statute was on the books because many people during the time that Hawaii was a territory (and even thereafter) were born at home and not in a hospital. Also, Hawaii has a way of "registering" births as Hawaiian for a child that was not actually born in Hawaii.
If Obama was given a birth certificate based upon his mother’s or grandmother’s affidavit, it would lend credence to the claims of his Kenyan grandmother that he was born in Kenya.
This entire matter could be resolved in an instant if Obama would produce the “vault” birth certificate – however, for some reason he refuses. Thus, there are numerous lawsuits. The courts have not been of assistance of procedural grounds claiming that for instance, that Andy Martin has no "interest" in the production of the vault certificate.
And if you think that Obama would not do something so stupid, think of Elliott Spitzer, Jim McGreevy and John Edwards – politicians with something to hide – who pursued office despite major problems. Spitzer was wiring money to prostitutes, McGreevy was soliciting homosexual sex, and Edwards was not only cheating on his wife but had a child out of wedlock with his girlfriend, all the while claiming to be a "family man". Let Obama “finish off” the wingnuts and provide the vault certificate!
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Hawaii Department of Health Website.
What is your motive in not publishing the facts? Why not publish? If the facts are wrong, and they aren’t, someone will correct them. What is your motive in not publishing?
Re: “The underlying document which is the vault birth certificate signed by the doctor and showing the hospital has not been produced by Obama….”
Because he does not have it. Hawaii sends out only the new short-form Certification of Live Birth. That is what they sent to Obama, and that is all that he can post. If there was an earlier, long-form certificate sent to the family, it has been lost. In 2007 Obama asked Hawaii for his birth certificate, and Hawaii send him the short-form Certification, which is what it sends to everyone. It no longer sends out copies of the original.
Re: “The underlying document which is the vault birth certificate signed by the doctor and showing the hospital has not been produced by Obama….”
That is because he does not have it. Hawaii sends out only the new short-form Certification of Live Birth. That is what they sent to Obama, and that is all that he can post. If there was an earlier, long-form certificate sent to the family, it has been lost. In 2007 Obama asked Hawaii for his birth certificate, and Hawaii send him the short-form Certification, which is what it sends to everyone. It no longer sends out copies of the original.