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Her name is Lillian Tyler, born June 15 1918 in Kings, New York. She married Albert Pacini. Had some kids, two of them died. Only records I found of her were in 1920 when she lived with a huge family (unable to find out which Tyler was her parent after extensive researching…no birth record). No residence record after the 1920 NY record. And the only other two that I found were with her and her husband’s name on it for a death certificate of her two kids in a 5 year period. My aunt Carol (lillian and albert’s daughter) said she left her sibling in 1945 because of her depression from losing two kids. I have been searching everywhere (especially familysearch.com…very helpful) but can not seem to find anything else on her. Why isn’t she documented? Why can’t I find a birth certificate, a marriage certificate, a residence after 1920, anything? I really want to be able to help my aunt find out who her mom was and if she is still alive or not or where she died. If anyone can give me some advice or help me out or explain to me why she seems to disappear after 1920, it would be greatly appreciated. She is such a mystery to everyone in my aunts family and we all want to find out what happened or a little bit more about her. I thought everyone had to participate in the census? Why can’t I find anything else on her?
Thank you for answering! I really need some help.

There’s lots of reasons why you may not find someone in an online resource ranging from they don’t have the helpful record, the name is indexed so poorly it’s not searchable, they moved and you’re looking in the wrong location, the information on the record is wrong, or there’s some fact you don’t know (i.e. she remarried or somehow got listed under a stepfather’s name). It’s likely she is documented, you just can’t find the documents so far. There are some cases where a person is undocumented. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by the cruelties of life (i.e. died a Jane Doe), and often because the documents have been destroyed (i.e. courthouse fires).

You may find it helpful to go ahead and order a birth (& maybe marriage) record direct from the appropriate agency:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/about/faq.shtml

I wouldn’t try to order a death record until you can be certain she has died and what name she may have died with (i.e. remarried). Find A Grave may be helpful. There seems to be a couple possibilities with a maiden name Tyler born in 1918. For this site, spelling counts so try multiple variations.

How do I find my Great Great Grandparents Parents? I have found all the below information on my Jones line but have had no luck finding James P Jones’s Parents. I have no Reference as to his parents names or birth dates. I know they where born in Wales and thats about it. What are the steps I should Be taking to find the next generation back. Using the online sites both pay and free I have not been able to find a marriage certificate or death certificate for James. The 1850 Census has a couple of possibility’s but nothing promising. I have talked to all the living relatives that I know and no one knows anything. I have also posted messages on a few genealogy sites hoping to find relatives of this line that may have information. Below is the information I have found on James and his Family. Any help would be appreciated and if you know this family I would realy love to hear from you!!

James P. Jones and his Family.
He was married to a Maria and i am fairly sure her last name was Griffith, Griffen, Griffeths or something close to that spelling. James and Maria are both from Wales.
They have children born in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. According to the 1900 Census James Jones came to the US in 1849 from Wales (he would have been 15 so probably came with his parents but not for sure on that). Here is what I have so far.

1860 US Census
Cleveland ward 6, Cuyahoga, Ohio

James Jones 26 Wales (Great Great Grandfather)
Maria Jones 24 Wales
William Jones 2 Ohio (Great Grandfather)
Sara Jones 7/12 Ohio

1870 US Census
Munising, Schoolcraft, Michigan

James 35 Wales Listed as a Moulder
Maria 33 Wales
William 12 Ohio
Sara 11 Ohio
Edward 9 Ohio
Henry Michigan
Margaret 8 Michigan
Ellen 5 Michigan
Rachel 3 Michigan
Hannah 2 Michigan

1880 US Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kansas

James P 42 Wales
Maria 40 Wales
William P 21 Ohio
Maggie 16 Ohio
Henry 13 Michigan
Nellie 12 Michigan
Hannah 10 Michigan
Lizzie 9 Pennsylvania
Martha 4 Pennsylvania

1885 Kansas State Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kans
as

James 56 Wales
Maria 54 Wales
Edward 21 Ohio
Nellie 18 Michigan
Hannah 15 Michigan
Elizabeth 12 Pennsylvania
Mattie 9 Pennsylvania
James 1 Birth place blank

1900 US Census
Northampton, Rooks, Kansas

James P. 70 Widowed Wales
William P. 39 Ohio
Geanal-Jeanas 15 (listed as James’s Grandson spelling is probably wrong very hard to read on census record)

Rooks County Kansas Marriages That could be our Jones Family

Edward Jones to Dora Hayworth Oct 29, 1896
Maggie Jones to W.W. Wiley Dec 14, 1884
Hannah Jones to D.T. Ashton Oct 29, 1886
Sara Jones to Hugh M Wilson Jan 30, 1887
Sara J Jones to Gurley W. Sargur Oct 23, 1879
Elizabeth Jones to J.A. Hampt Oct 7, 1896
Mattie Jones to T.A. Myers Mar 26, 1893

Notes: Our Sara was out of the house for the 1880 Census so The Sarah J is probably her and she was either widowed/divorced by 1887 or the other Sara is not the same person.

Rooks county Kansas Births that may be related to our Joneses

William Jones and Nellie Unknown = Baby Jones July 17, 1891
Edward Jones and Jennie Pickenpaugh = Baby Jones Jul 1, 1899
Edward Jones and Dora Hanosth = William Jones July, 13 1897
Maggie Jones and Whright Wiley = Baby Wiley Sep 24, 1890

I have a Sarah Griffiths in my genealogy, from Wales, late 1700s. I have never found anything about her parents, or her husbands parents (only 5 generations ago for me). There are Jones in my tree also, but from England or unknown origin.

I know they always say find the census, birth/marriage/death certificates, but these things don’t always exist today in the U.S. of A. Life was so cheap back then that often there were no records.

Your best chance of finding any info is throught the "User Submitted Trees". If that works, then you can always look to see if they show up in the Census or official records. Another option is to check newspaper archives. Still another is to check genealogical/historical societies and library archives (the Library of Congress, state/university libraries such as in Ohio, New York, Virginia, and Alabama).

I always take the easy route: if I cannot find one ancestor, I look for another.

I’m just stumped right now. His name was Vito Gerardi, born in 1877 in Italy. He immigrated January 10, 1886 to New York with his parents, Domenico Gerardi and Catherina (Nole) Gerardi. I *believe* he was from Avigliano, Italy, but that’s just speculation until the microfilm from the LDS library arrives in a few weeks.

I have found his naturalization records. I have found him in the 1910 Federal Census. I have found his marriage certificate. I have found what I believe to be the death records of his father, mother, wife, and daughter. I just can’t find any record of his actual immigration. I’ve looked on Ancestry.com and Castle Garden’s website without luck.

Maybe some of you who are more skilled at this can either find more information or lead me in another direction. I feel like I’ve exhausted almost every source.

Also, would there be a website where I could look up passenger vessels by the date or the year or where they departed? That might help me narrow it down since I have his date of arrival. Thanks!

Several things to keep in mind. Prior to 1892, ships passenger lists could be sketchy. The only records may be for the entire family. New York harbor was only one of many ports of entry. The other major ports were Philadelphia, Baltimore, Boston and New Orleans

CyndisList has links in several possible sections http://www.cyndislist.com/
Ports of Departure, Ports of Entry, Ships & Passenger Lists and Immigration & Naturalization

One Step Search Stephen Morse has both free & paid links in an easy to search format http://stevemorse.org/

As my grandmother used to say,"they are few and far between," but a few do exist. On the FamilySearch.org pilot site they have a few. I know they have some Texas death certificates. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Also, the state of Missouri has a wonderful website that includes:
Missouri Birth and Death Database pre 1910
Missouri Death Certificates 1910-1958
http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/birthdeath/

Georgia’s Virtual Vault has a database of Death Certificates for 1919-1927. http://content.sos.state.ga.us/cdm4/gadeaths.php

So, if I were in need of a marriage or death certificate, I would always check any websites for the state that would have issued the certificate.

We don’t know his name — this man, this usurper — is it Steven Dunham, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Obama? No one has seen his college records, his Illinois Bar records are scrubbed. Some claim he was born in Hawaii. Kenyans claim he was born in Kenya. He says his Dad was a Kenyan. He may have claimed at times to have been Indonesian — that is, he may have enrolled in college as a foreign exchange student. There’s no marriage certificate for his parents, and the one one divorce record seems somewhat questionable.

Hawaii refuses to release any substantial records which would help resolve the issues of this usurper, despite the fact that their own laws allow them to when there is a legitimate public interest. And now Hawaii attempts to make asking for those records a felony. A capital crime. Capital crimes, felonies, are those possibly subject to the death penalty.

Is this still America, the free?
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/felony

"felony n. 1) a crime sufficiently serious to be punishable by death or a term in state or federal prison, as distinguished from a misdemeanor which is only punishable by confinement to county or local jail and/or a fine. "

“Vexatious Requestor” Bill

"On January 27th Hawaii State Senator Will Espero introduced SB2937 , which would add to Hawaii’s existing open records law, UIPA, a provision to label as “vexatious requestors” people who exhibit 2 or more behaviors that the bill calls “abuses” of UIPA."

It’s only another step towards making it a felony …
Hawaii goose steps towards making gathering information about Obama criminal. The last step of that march ends up like Döllersheim. Look up the fate of that town.
"Unauthorized disclosure is permitted. Vital statistics–required information on death and birth certificates–has not been changed by HIPAA. The information required on [a birth or death] certificate can be provided without authorization."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_9_53/ai_n6207442/
Penny Lee:

(1) Felonies, by DEFINITION are those crimes for which the death penalty might be applied. Misdemeanors are those crimes which would never get a death penalty. Do proper research, girl!

(2) Laws start as toothpicks and end up as pikes thrust through the body public.
Even if the Federal HIPAA law applied to Birth Certificates — WHICH IT DOES NOT — it would still be trumped by the Constitution! The Constitutional requirement to determine the natural born citizen status of a President (or VP) means that the NATION has a interest that trumps all privacy interest, for persons seeking those offices.

If Congress can contemplate throwing people in jail for not buying insurance, then there is little that they not capable of. They are after all the body that voted unanimously to recognize the citizenship of Obama.